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Rumsfeld Needs to Go: Retired Generals Tell Congress
Peace and Freedom ^ | September 26, 2006 | John E. Carey

Posted on 09/25/2006 6:38:12 PM PDT by John Carey

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To: bwteim


ROTFLMAO!
I admit I did not check the category.


61 posted on 09/25/2006 7:05:05 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: rlmorel



I agree with you.
You're absolutely right!


62 posted on 09/25/2006 7:06:53 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: mass55th

I will say, that in doing a simple Google search on these three persons, there was a preponderance of links to New York Times related articles, and a lot on FRONTLINE, which I have found to be generally biased to the left, not to mention PBS which falls off the left side of the planet.


63 posted on 09/25/2006 7:07:15 PM PDT by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: onyx

LOL. Just Google bonyx, you will see that there are so many pretenders to the throne.


--bonyx


64 posted on 09/25/2006 7:07:56 PM PDT by bwteim (bwteim = Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: John Carey
Good thing we were limited to two worthless generals and a colonel. The Russkies might have taken us.
65 posted on 09/25/2006 7:08:12 PM PDT by labette (Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before.)
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To: John Carey
WWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH he's reforming the Pentagon.

WWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH he's making changes.

WWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH he's making us get with the program or else! WWWWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

66 posted on 09/25/2006 7:08:40 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: onyx

Mods must have just changed the category -- see, the power of FR!


67 posted on 09/25/2006 7:08:54 PM PDT by bwteim (bwteim = Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: bwteim

LOL -- that's awful --- is bonyx slang for ebonics?


68 posted on 09/25/2006 7:09:30 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: bwteim


Did you alert the mod? :)


69 posted on 09/25/2006 7:10:19 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: CWOJackson

Churchillbutt does not pimp a blog.


70 posted on 09/25/2006 7:10:59 PM PDT by zarf
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To: onyx

Some agendas are better hidden then others. ; )


71 posted on 09/25/2006 7:11:19 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: OldFriend
LOL



72 posted on 09/25/2006 7:12:49 PM PDT by bwteim (bwteim = Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: John Carey
The Generals and CDI

"A group of veteran officers are being effectively used as fronts for a powerful and secretive Leftist organization during time of war."

73 posted on 09/25/2006 7:13:29 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: onyx
The problem is, there are people who are absolute free-speech advocates. They often like to paint someone (who takes the stands that I do) as a fascist. I admit the label does bug me, but as I said in another post:

Freedom of speech brings responsibilities with it, and as I said before, the American press has shown itself to be thoroughly untrustworthy with that responsibility. Some do not think that is a problem in war, but I do.

I see this damage caused by the inclination by a "free press" to give intelligence to our enemy as an insidious erosion that is going to eat away at the riverbanks of our national resolve and ability to wage this war until they begin crumbling and falling into that river. If someone don't think information like this is intelligence to an enemy, then they don't understand what information is needed by an enemy to defeat us.

As surely as the media caused the defeat of the USA in Vietnam by relentlessly sapping our national will to fight and sowing division amongst the citizenry with disinformation (Tet Offensive as primary example), it will cause the defeat of our cause in the Middle East with the incessant drumbeat of negativity.

I lived through it once, and vowed never to be a submissive party to it again.

Some people think it is a minor thing, and that the NYT or LAT are free to air whatever information about anything they can glean from their "unnamed sources", even if it means the loss of American lives and a prolongation of the conflict.

I think it is one of the greatest dangers to the Republic, and more so because the bar has been raised so high that there is no such thing as treason anymore. The founders of our nation had a good reason for placing the bar of treason very high, in order to prevent misuse of the charge. But when Jane Fonda and others went to North Vietnam and gave aid and comfort to the enemy without repercussions, that set the bar so high that nothing can go over it.

And here we are today with the NYT giving information to our enemies about how we gather intelligence from them, how we monitor their communications and so on, allowing them to make successful adjustments to diminish our available intelligence. That means my fellow citizens in the military are going to have to stay in the battle longer with less intelligence, and cost me more taxpayer dollars, not to mention the loss of life that is inevitably going to occur in the civilian populace in this country.

74 posted on 09/25/2006 7:13:30 PM PDT by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: OldFriend


Wow -- young lady --- ticked off at tiresome tripe?


75 posted on 09/25/2006 7:13:35 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: John Carey
The poster, and those with whom he confers, deal dangerously and recklessly in their delight over what theses retired generals said.

Military officers, especially field grade officers and above, have a special and perhaps unique duty and obligation to ensure that civilian rule of law and leadership is in no manner destabilized by either their speech, their actions, or both. Criticism of the civilian leadership by these retired rogue officers is a very dangerous thing that ought not be treated lightly.

It is one thing for these officers to make their opinions known in the proper manner and through the proper channels, it is quite another for them to publicly render opinions opposing civilian leaders who have an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States. I consider this poster as a purveyor of actions designed to destabilize the civilian rule of constitutional law in our country.

76 posted on 09/25/2006 7:14:08 PM PDT by Obadiah
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To: labette

THOSE WHO ARE EFFECTIVE ARE SELDOM WELL LIKED


77 posted on 09/25/2006 7:14:16 PM PDT by LC HOGHEAD
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To: Hoplite
We must stick together and find a way to blame the Democrats.

That's how accountability is handled, my friend.

The media barrages so much bad news at us, many people here are unwilling to accept any bad news at all. The worst blow that they've struck, against both liberals and conservatives, is that it's becoming impossible to have a reasonable discussion on the war(s).

Everyone automatically circles the wagons at the first sign of attack, no matter what the attack is. We laugh at Dems for being so reflexive and predictable, but we do the same thing, too.

78 posted on 09/25/2006 7:14:34 PM PDT by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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To: onyx

Gosh, never thought of that. I thought you and I had some spare letters one day a few weeks ago and came up with bonyx.

It's good guess, however. Better be bonin' up on my bonyx now.


79 posted on 09/25/2006 7:14:35 PM PDT by bwteim (bwteim = Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: onyx

LOL......you got that right! LOLOL.........but you ought to hear what's being said around our dinner table. Veterans all!


80 posted on 09/25/2006 7:14:46 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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