[phoenix0468]

Criminals have been in existence since the beginnings of society. Most exist solely to subvert the moral societal systems due to their own immorality and or dysfunction. Crediting government with the creation of crime is absurd. Before there was government there was law. Either set forth by some religious entity or the society as a whole. If someone broke society's laws they were punished. Government did not create criminals or crime. And government did not create drug dealers or the crime they propagate. This is the fundamental difference that Conservatives and Libertarians have. Libertarians like to blame government for things like crime, or even for war (even if the war was a result of some other entities aggressions).

Governmental regulation of morality is necessary, governmental regulation of industry and markets is necessary. And as most libertarians like to oppose, war in many cases in history was and still is necessary. I mean what would a Libertarian president have done with Hitler? "Ah, it's ok, as long as he isn't attacking us, we're fine."

[tacticalogic]

Governmental regulation of morality is necessary, governmental regulation of industry and markets is necessary.

Where the "social conservatives" tend to part ways with political conservatives is over the means. They're often too willing to adopt the liberal mantra of "big government does it better" and seek their solutions in further expansion of the federal government for things that should properly be left to the States.

[tacticalogic]

Government did not create criminals or crime.

Like it or not, sometimes it does.