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Minuteman Civil Defense Project President Chris Simcox Answers Critics
Minuteman Civil Defense Project Mass Email | 14 July 2006 | Chris Simcox

Posted on 07/14/2006 9:00:33 PM PDT by Spiff

Minuteman Civil Defense Corps
Chris's Answer To Critics

6501 Greenway Parkway Suite 103-640 Scottsdale, AZ 85254 :: Phone (520) 829-3112

"True courage is not the brutal force of vulgar heroes, but the firm resolve of virtue and reason." —Alfred North Whitehead

First, I want to say thank you to all the supporters and believers in this great grassroots movement known as the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps; your dedication has paid off in the momentum we now see across the nation as citizens have reached the level of awareness and frustration we have shared for years.  They are now following your leadership, taking action, and are demanding that our borders be secured.  Our public servants are listening, the politicians are scrambling—positive change is in the air.
               
I find myself in front of the computer finally able to catch up on things after a whirlwind year in which I've logged about 200,000 travel miles spreading the word, educating Americans, confronting elected officials, and recruiting volunteers and supporters of this great Minuteman movement. 
  
It is important that we, the organization and its officers, get into the routine of giving you timely updates on our activities and direction for the future.  Also, in light of some recent misinformation being spread about the Internet it is time to give you, the volunteers and the general public, a report on the progress of MCDC and the Minuteman Border Fence projects.

The Minuteman Border Fence
"If you pursue evil with pleasure, the pleasure passes away and the evil remains; if you pursue good with labor, the labor passes away but the good remains." —Cicero

The first phase of our fence building project began during Memorial Day, and I emphasize “the first phase.”  Given the political duplicity of the U.S. Senate’s vote this week NOT to fund the federal border fence they “approved” just two months ago, we were right in our judgment to proceed.  We gave President Bush an ultimatum, which he only partially and weakly answered with a directive that 6,000 National Guard—mostly unarmed personnel—be deployed to the border to “support” the outgunned and outmanned Border Patrol.

While we know that the move will help somewhat—ANY official presence helps—this is woefully inadequate to effectively secure the border.  So, we decided to go ahead with our fence building as a message back to Bush and Congress—Secure the Border—Now!

We decided first to quickly come to the aid of a supportive local rancher in Cochise County, Arizona by helping him protect his cattle.  The plans for the fence to meet the rancher’s requirements were explicitly outlined during numerous interviews with the media. Of course, we all know the problems in getting the media to print accurate facts or statements in their entirety.  The explicit plans of the design of the fence on the Ladd ranch were clearly outlined in detail during dozens of radio interviews, and that's where you can find the truth.  However, inaccurate statements, taken out of context, by one small town newspaper reporter have fed some circulation of false and malicious claims of a “scam” because the first fence section omitted trenching that would have proved dangerous to the rancher’s cattle.

There was immediately some vandalism to the fence, which has been repaired, and better secured against further attack.
 
That small town reporter got it wrong, just as every other print reporter in this country seems to do.  Never did we make the claim that the double layered Gaza-style security fence would be built on the Ladd ranch.  It was stated over and over that the full blown security fence design would be built when we reached conclusive negotiations with other landowners who were looking at the advisability of erecting such a fence on their properties.  We have now completed arrangements with those ranchers and landowners, and in fact the next section built will be the full Israeli-style fence, with construction commencing soon.  Our precise timetable will depend upon resolving a few lingering engineering issues, and the successful conclusion of certain liability matters as required by law.  It will NOT depend upon the ill-informed hostility of those seeking our failure, or wishing to stir up controversy and increase donations to their foundering organizations.

If one reads our description of the fence building effort instead of just focusing on our generic graphic model, we have clearly stated there will have to be a variety of fence design adaptations, including the “full blown” double layered Gaza Strip-styled security fence.  Coincidently, that precise fence design has been recently adopted by the U.S. federal government in their planning, as well. 

Obviously, this is the most effective design to prevent incursions across our sovereign border.  However, our mission includes coming to the aid of landowners and in two cases we are adjusting our fence construction to design specifications that meet the particular needs of the host landowners.  In the case of the Ladd ranch, we wanted to help protect the rancher's cattle.  The first step was to erect a five-strand barbed-wire fence to protect the cattle from the concertina wire, and the vehicle barriers, both of which will be added later with further accommodations.  So, specifically, there will be a layer of barbed-wire fencing to protect the cattle, concertina wire to prevent human beings from climbing the fence, and steel vehicle barriers to prevent automobiles from driving through the fence.  It seems some folks have a tough time with reading comprehension or visualization of the projected fence designs.

Regarding the funds collected as contributions to the fence project:  All donations which have been received have been recorded, processed, and banked by a highly reputable and responsible caging company which specializes in non-profit accountability.  Funds are safely and appropriately held in a secured bank account, overseen by a certified public accountant and a lawyer, disbursed by an authorized escrow agent only against approved, invoiced expenses.  Some folks want to make it seem as if I personally have collected donor funds, turned them into cash, and have the money hidden under my mattress at home.  For the record, I do not touch contributions at any stage, and I do not personally control MCDC bank accounts—again, objective professional fiduciary officers are accountable for all money in and money out.

All donations are secured in a federal financial institution—a bank, and may be applied only towards the fence building enterprise.  The funds cannot be used in any other way.  We estimate the original 2.2 miles of completed fencing (including concertina wire and vehicle barriers) on the Ladd ranch will run approximately $17,000—could be slightly more could be slightly less. 

To ensure quality control and limit liability issues going forward, we have hired a local contractor to oversee the whole Minuteman Fence project—the contractor charges a minimal reduced fee as their civic contribution to the effort.  We have completed our research on procurement of the materials necessary to construct the Gaza-style double layered security fence.  In fact, the 4” x 4” heavy gauge steel fence post has been purchased; the heavy gauge steel wire mesh and a concertina wire mesh material for the top of the fence have all been located and will be purchased soon.  All of the materials will be moved over the next few weeks, along with heavy equipment, to the ranch area slated for construction phase two.

We are also planning on creating metal plaques with the names of those who wish acknowledgement, who have donated to the Minuteman Border Fence project.  These will be attached to the interior layer of fencing once the construction has been completed.  Everything we promise will be fulfilled.

Volunteers
We have over 1,500 cleared volunteers in our fence volunteer database.  We have many, many more being vetted.  They are being sorted, are being contacted, and will be utilized to create “work teams” to assist with completing the first 2.2 miles of fence, and then will apply their efforts towards helping to build the next phase of the fencing project, which will include the full double layered, 15 foot high, Gaza-style, security fence.  I emphasize the word helping, to clearly define volunteer tasks.  We will be required to “hire” some professionals to help maintain the quality control of the project and limit liability.

Timeline
There has been plenty of vicious criticism about our timeline—ill informed, and I would also ask, “Compared to what?”  Let's look at some obvious physical challenges confronting the fence project.  Extreme summertime temperatures create a situation that is dangerous for our volunteers.  We have decided to hold off launching parts of the project until temperatures are more favorable for all those working.  We have even looked into the expense of renting lighting systems so that volunteers could work after sundown.  However, there are obvious security risks involved in that approach.  Taken together, we have decided it is prudent to wait a bit, and carefully plan and prepare for the next phase. 

In the meantime, we have completed our actual fence blueprints, which are now in the hands of an accredited architect, and engineers, who are ensuring that the fence design meets all regulatory requirements in its construction.  There are of course tremendous liability implications in this project that we are continuously addressing.

We have two landowners in Arizona who have committed to the construction of 1.5 miles of the double layered Gaza-style security fence. (You can read an op-ed written by one of those landowners at the end of this document.)

                We are now in negotiations with a landowner in California, who would like to see the double layered Gaza-style security fence built along his property, to protect his constitutionally-guaranteed pursuit of happiness on sovereign U.S. soil.

 Building fences, such as the double layered Gaza-style security fence, is an enormous engineering and construction feat.  The federal government still flatly refuses to take this on, despite the double-talk.  It must be planned carefully with the safety of the volunteers being considered first and foremost in importance.  Plans needed to be drawn, materials needed to be acquired.  

Some good news is that, contrary to false information disseminated by Internet web sites, a close review of the respective county planning and zoning ordinances show no laws or regulations which would prevent a landowner from erecting this type of fence in a non-residential zoned area on private property.  The fence is being erected on the edge of the front tier along the border—if the government can build such a fence, then our best legal advice says that a private property owner can also erect the same style of fence. 

We will this summer and fall complete the first 2.2 mile section of fence, meeting the requirements of the Ladd family.  As contributions will allow, we will complete just over 1.5 mile of the double layered Gaza-style fence as illustrated on our web site. 

I guess some people feel that it should be built based on their time schedule; however, we will build it as we see fit and by a timeline that works best for our volunteers and the courageous landowners who are stepping forward.
               
I find it interesting that those mouthing charges of skepticism against our fence building continue to claim “Minuteman” credentials.  It is just sad these people resort to making hollow accusations against our very public efforts while sending out letters that laud their “association” with the Minutemen on the border, and engage in private fund-raising campaigns based on alleging “corruption” within the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps fence building operation.  While we continue, step by step, to build—I wonder if the press will investigate the use of donations collected by these elements?

MCDC Finances
"Anybody who is any good is different from anybody else." —Felix Frankfurter

On a related topic, I guess it's time to counter another attack piece attempting to cast doubt upon the appropriations of donations to MCDC.  Not only are we constantly embattled by the open borders and anti-rule of law lobbyists, but now we seem to be constantly attacked by people who claim to be part of the secure borders movement, but are actually working under a thinly veiled, racist agenda.  Then we have those who disagreed with our approach to the border security problem and quit the organization only to continue to call themselves Minutemen, while assailing us with wild and vindictive allegations of improprieties.  We also have those who were terminated from MCDC for violating our code of conduct that is explicitly outlined in our standard operating procedures.

Some such people contacted a local Phoenix ABC television affiliate.  This hit piece, done by a local Phoenix ABC affiliate was prompted by “disclosures” offered ABC by two anti-Semites, who last April demanded that we allow them to manage Minuteman operations, including all of its funding, donations and crafting of our media message.  I rejected their “offer,” and my decision has proved to be a wise one.
 
Of course, we knew better than to let anyone with racialist history anywhere near MCDC, and obviously now have evidence that we made the correct decision in hiring clean professional consultants, accountants, media professionals who work for us to help us manage our business as the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, sees fit.
 
In a classic yellow journalistic hit piece, the ABC reporter, using clever editing, made it seem as if MCDC volunteers were concerned about fiduciary responsibilities on the part of the organization.  The facts were that everyone they interviewed had either quit the organization or had been terminated and clearly had sour grapes because they did not meet MCDC standards. 

ABC even made it seem as if our volunteers had no porta-potties at the location of our border watch operations.  In one part of the report, a trusted and dedicated line leader was asked if porta-potties were available to volunteers.  What you did not see was that the volunteer was asked the question while on a scouting mission along one of our observation lines located far away from the base camp.  Of course, we don't provide porta-potties in the middle of nowhere, and the ABC reporter made it seem as though we were not providing volunteers with even bathroom facilities.  The same camera crew had full access to our base camp, our comms center, and the equipment center—and even used the porta-potties that we have always made available to our volunteers.

I've included a couple of photos, which clearly show the capital equipment that donations have been used to purchase.  Each and every border watch state—Texas, New Mexico, California, Arizona, Washington State, New York, Vermont and New Hampshire receives funding for equipment, operations and recruitment meetings.  Again I must emphasize the reporter's piece was full of lies, innuendo and crass conspiracy theories prompted and promoted by people who either quit the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps or were terminated due to a lack of integrity or a violation of our standard operating procedures.
 
All of our financial operations are overseen by professionals including a caging agency, banking institutions, a professional accountant, a professional auditor, a non-profits specialty attorney, etc.  All checks, credit card and any other cash donations received go directly into designated bank accounts, overseen by these professionals.  Yes, professionals we have hired (that means donations go to pay them for services) to ensure fiduciary integrity of the funds donated to the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps.  Everyone must realize that by hiring responsible and respected professionals we ensure the integrity of the operation and keep funds separated from the volunteer national leadership directors.    

By the way, no accredited professional financial institution or company would dare risk their livelihoods or their reputation by working for the MCDC if they did not believe in our cause and our integrity—nor would they risk the chance of violating the IRS regulations by playing monkey business with funds that come into this organization.  Not only would these professionals risk ruining their careers and their reputations, they risk violating federal laws and going to jail.
 
I wonder if those foolish enough to question the integrity of the finances of this operation would be willing to open their books, expose everything in their bank accounts or rely on unaccredited individuals to manage their finances?

So even though we've met every obligation and hired professional management there are still those from outside who seek to destroy our American citizens’ movement.

For those who just ask the question where does the money go—let me take you on just a short journey through a rapidly growing national movement.  The following is a list of just a few of the areas where the money goes to good use:

Web site development, updates to the web site, blast email communications, our database, updates to the database, computer equipment, which MCDC owns; servers, bandwidth for a web site that receives upwards of several hundred thousand hits or more each week. 

Let's talk about the phone systems and communications—most of our national leadership team or state directors have been provided Internet phones in their home offices at no personal charge, paid for by donations.  We have purchased and pay charges for cell phones provided for our field operations and our national directors. 

For the field, we have satellite phones, radio equipment, repeaters, antennae, extra radio batteries, battery chargers, flashlights, maps, dry erase boards, porta-potties.

How about background checks, ID cards, email blasts like this one—all our operations cost money.  We are constantly reaching out to find and educate more of our fellow Americans, which requires funds be expended for postage and fees for direct mailing, press releases that are professionally written, proofed, and distributed to the mainstream and alternative media (domestic and worldwide), etc.  The scheduling of hundreds of television and radio interviews is handled by a professional media firm, as is the placement of our national newspaper, email, and web advertisements.

We do cover some travel and fuel expenses for line leaders and the leadership team, who all work well beyond the average call of duty. 

We have used donations to purchase thermal imaging cameras, video cameras, third-generation night vision cameras, computer systems at each border watch headquarters operation, even Internet service at each border watch operation, where it is available. 

We help provide water, Gatorade, snacks, large tents and pop-up canopies for outdoor meetings; trailers to haul equipment, office supplies, a national headquarters building, the rent, the utilities, high-speed Internet connectivity at the national headquarters, computer systems at the national headquarters, phone systems at the national headquarters, the cost of printing letters, thousands of dollars in postage for membership mailings, the printing of brochures, the printing of banners used at gun shows, parades and recruiting events.  The rental of tables for gun shows, the rental of venues for meetings around the country—all are covered with the funds we receive from generous donors from around the country.

Our national leadership team does have their travel expenses covered when engaged in official Minuteman Civil Defense Corps business.  My travel expenses are covered by donations, but only when I am traveling for official Minuteman Civil Defense Corps business.  Most of my travel expenses are covered by organizations that request my presence at meetings, conferences and other speaking engagements.  When I am compensated to speak by a hosting organization, not only do I have the opportunity to travel around the country to educate people about the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps mission and the crisis at the border, but I also have the opportunity to recruit volunteers and solicit for donations to MCDC.  Only four of the dozens of trips that I have made in the last year have been paid for out of Minuteman Civil Defense Corps funds.  Those trips were to Washington D.C. to work with cooperative organizations and to talk to Congress—the total cost of those four trips comes to less than $3,000.

Our last two, month long border-watch operations cost around $80,000 each, and each 3-day monthly muster costs us at least $1,000 per state, not including travel expenses.

Each of our satellite chapters around the country has received start up funding and continues to be supported by the national organization.  Each new chapter receives approximately $1,000 in start up capital to cover expenses.  We have a rapidly expanding national organization that needs the support of aggressive national fundraising efforts—it costs money to raise money, but I assure you every penny is accounted for as federal law requires, and is utilized appropriately.

At this time we have a fully accredited, independent auditor undertaking a full accounting of the past years’ income and expenses.  We are completing federally mandated accounting and filing of our financial activity for the past year.  (Those conspiracy theorists out there forget that the #1 oversight committee on groups like ours is the IRS, aka the federal government, who would be the first to shut us down if there were any improprieties involved with our finances.)  We are required to submit our Form 990 filing to the IRS on November 15, 2006.

Once completed, our financial reports will be made available to the public, as required by law, and on the same timetable as all other non-profit organizations.  Those who wish to harm us want MCDC held to some other standard and to have us distracted and discredited in order to break our momentum.  We are staying on task, and they can take their intentions of destroying the greatest citizen movement to save the Republic this country has seen in recent history, and hike it.  I believe we have exposed their lack of credibility, we will continue to build, and I invite those whose falsehoods will be refuted by our results for the common good of America to forever be silenced.

There have also been many questions asked as to how I make a living.  I am not salaried by MCDC—otherwise, it is no one’s business.  I have never felt the need to publicly defend my integrity—above all else: to thine own self be true.

However, in light of the circumstances of malicious attacks, I will, this one last time, reveal personal information to answer the critics.

The hours of toil and sacrifice necessary to run this national organization has taken a toll on my personal life and has led to my shutting down my newspaper—The Tombstone Tumbleweed.  My present source of income has been the honorariums and fees received from organizations who request me for speaking engagements.  I have also received money from selling my life story for a movie that will soon go into production.  Even with those combined sources of income, I have made just enough to keep my head above water.  The remainder of my living expenses is covered by my devoted and dedicated wife, who shares my passion for the MCDC mission.

I do foresee a need come the new year for me to request a modest salary to maintain my role as president of MCDC.  If the board and national directors do not agree then it will be necessary for me to leave the organization and return to teaching—or I may need to go get a job at Wal-Mart or Home Depot!

With regular communication to you the volunteers and supporters of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, I hope to provide information that informs and assures you of the integrity of this healthy and expanding national grassroots organization.  I want to thank you personally for the privilege of working with you in this great and good cause.

With sincere gratitude for your courage and support of this great Republic,
Chris Simcox
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President, Minuteman Civil Defense Corps





















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To: catholicfreeper
secret agents of Morris Dees

Hmmm...doesn't appear to be anything "secret" about it.

481 posted on 07/18/2006 10:55:09 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: catholicfreeper
Listen, this is not going away by throwing out the names of La Raza and other associations. It is also not going to go away by declaring us all leftist, communist, secret agents of Morris Dees or what ever. So please tell who ever the Minister of Propaganda is down there in Arizona to give you better talking points. Or better yet tell him to stop this whole thing before more people get scammed out of money they can't afford to give. A judge when sentencing a individual will often consider if a person tried to mitigate the damage when deciding the appropriate Sentence. So might you pass that along to.

This is a scam. Worse it is putting money into organizations that spend their time attacking other conservatives. La Raza?, Heck I never get the the bile and attacks from them that I do from so called "conservatives".

I've posted fact after fact and you've responded by posting ignorant statement after race-baiting smear after lie after more smears after bizarre conspiracy ideas. The movement to secure the borders and have our immigration laws enforced is not going away just because you want to pretend that everyone involved is a grifter, scam artist, racist, fringe, third party, unappeasable, extremist nor how many other smears you and your fellow smear artists invent. Meanwhile, you place yourself squarely with the leftists against the conservatives who want the border secured and our immigration laws enforced and not a single lawbreaker excused or rewarded for his crimes.

482 posted on 07/18/2006 11:02:44 AM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Spiff

Not everyone involved in this is racist. I never said that. My main opposition to the groups involved are the Tanton groups, the Council of Conservative Citizens, and other extremist groups. I oppose the Tanton influence because if it gains more power in the conservative movement , pro life issues are in severe danger. Long term if their demographic policies are put into effect our very own economic and national security will be at risk
I might support the Presidents view on this issue but I am quite aware that there are people of good faith that disagree. That is what is different between you and me I believe. My concern with the minutemen were because I was seeing connection that were quite open with some extremist groups. The money scam aspect of this came to light later.

There are other honorable groups that oppose illegal immigration and oppose the view of the President, Sen Graham, Sen Brownback,for instance. I suggest associating with them.

As to conspiracy theories. FAIR CIS USANUMbERS and other tanton groups thave been fairly open about their agenda if you care to look. In the case of Simcox and this group it is a money making scam and also a tatempt to funnel money into other groups to keep making the $$$$$$ I believe.

I realize that this house is crumbling around you. I do feel for you. Time to get out and associate with people that don't scam and don't use the politcs of destruction to try to achieve a political victory. There is a much more honorable way.


483 posted on 07/18/2006 11:14:48 AM PDT by catholicfreeper
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To: Spiff

Not everyone involved in this is racist. I never said that. My main opposition to the groups involved are the Tanton groups, the Council of Conservative Citizens, and other extremist groups. I oppose the Tanton influence because if it gains more power in the conservative movement , pro life issues are in severe danger. Long term if their demographic policies are put into effect our very own economic and national security will be at risk
I might support the Presidents view on this issue but I am quite aware that there are people of good faith that disagree. That is what is different between you and me I believe. My concern with the minutemen were because I was seeing connection that were quite open with some extremist groups. The money scam aspect of this came to light later.

There are other honorable groups that oppose illegal immigration and oppose the view of the President, Sen Graham, Sen Brownback,for instance. I suggest associating with them.

As to conspiracy theories. FAIR CIS USANUMbERS and other tanton groups thave been fairly open about their agenda if you care to look. In the case of Simcox and this group it is a money making scam and also a tatempt to funnel money into other groups to keep making the $$$$$$ I believe.

I realize that this house is crumbling around you. I do feel for you. Time to get out and associate with people that don't scam and don't use the politcs of destruction to try to achieve a political victory. There is a much more honorable way.


484 posted on 07/18/2006 11:14:49 AM PDT by catholicfreeper
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To: catholicfreeper
There are other honorable groups that oppose illegal immigration and oppose the view of the President, Sen Graham, Sen Brownback,for instance. I suggest associating with them.

The funny thing is that appear to be typing that stuff with a straight face.

485 posted on 07/18/2006 11:19:22 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: catholicfreeper
There are other honorable groups that oppose illegal immigration and oppose the view of the President, Sen Graham, Sen Brownback,for instance. I suggest associating with them.

The funny thing is that you appear to be typing that stuff with a straight face.

486 posted on 07/18/2006 11:20:26 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: catholicfreeper

Are you aware that Senator Brownback joined Karl Rove and Bill Clinton in addressing the racist La Raza group, and that he supported the Senate scamnesty bill? Or are you really as dumb as you appear to be?


487 posted on 07/18/2006 11:23:13 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: catholicfreeper
My concern with the minutemen were because I was seeing connection that were quite open with some extremist groups.

Being that you are consistent and fair, I'm sure you have great concern about Karl Rove speaking to an extremist group last week, right?

488 posted on 07/18/2006 11:27:49 AM PDT by jmc813 (.)(.)
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To: jmc813

And the President is going to address the NAACP, they say...


489 posted on 07/18/2006 11:31:07 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: catholicfreeper
That is what is different between you and me I believe. My concern with the minutemen were because I was seeing connection that were quite open with some extremist groups. The money scam aspect of this came to light later.

You've perceived connections where none exist. You based a bunch of it on the clients that their direct mail vendor has on their list. Your theory was blown out of the water when I posted a more complete list of clients but you're too stupid to realize that.

There are other honorable groups that oppose illegal immigration and oppose the view of the President, Sen Graham, Sen Brownback,for instance. I suggest associating with them. As to conspiracy theories. FAIR CIS USANUMbERS and other tanton groups thave been fairly open about their agenda if you care to look. In the case of Simcox and this group it is a money making scam and also a tatempt to funnel money into other groups to keep making the $$$$$$ I believe.

Your conspiracy theories get grander and grander every day. No, really CF, its the stonecutters behind all of this and their funneling money from Simcox, MCDC, Response Enterprises, Deiner, Tancredo, Bay Buchanan, into their global enterprise to rule the world. You are a fool.

I realize that this house is crumbling around you. I do feel for you. Time to get out and associate with people that don't scam and don't use the politcs of destruction to try to achieve a political victory. There is a much more honorable way.

There's nothing crumbling around here except your already worthless credibility on this subject. And as for politics of destruction, what do you call it when you and your quisling pals trash conservative Republican Tom Tancredo on a regular basis? Honorable? Not even close.

490 posted on 07/18/2006 11:40:40 AM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: EternalVigilance

I am not aware of any scamnesty bill. As for LA Raza, I shall investigate them. For the most part all I hear about them is one kooky professor in New Mexico and some idiot that runs a school. I suspsect I don't agree with much they say but ot be honest they are the least of my conserns right now. Right now I am more concerned with the vipers in my own nest.


491 posted on 07/18/2006 11:40:50 AM PDT by catholicfreeper
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To: Spiff; EternalVigilance

When Tancredo quits endorsing dems and running folks against fellow Republicans and quits hanging out with Radical population control groups I will stop speaking out. Unlike Tancredo that has no problem endorsing people running against Republicans, I have not asked people to support his Dem opponent in the election Mr Winters. Again a difference between what he and his friends represent and me. Also tell Tancredo to quit hanging around Tanton's folks and abortions like former Gov Lamm of Colorodo

Ok enough for now, I shall be back. I and others are hot on the trail of more damaging things that are happening to our Republican party and conservative movement. I have some more FEC records to look at as well. So stay tuned. Perhaps I will report back in a few hours.

I leave you Gentlemen with this from the MArch 15 2004 Wall Street Editoral-
""“So determined is conservatism’s nativist wing that it’s even made common cause with radical environmentalists and zero-population-growth fanatics on the leftist fringe. The Federation for American Immigration Reform and the Center for Immigration Studies may strike right-wing poses in the press, but both groups support big government, mock federalism, deride free markets and push a cultural agenda abhorrent to any self-respecting social conservative"

Eternal tell your friend Mr Keyes ,that I actually voted for and supported in the Republican primary in 1996. to pray about this. I supported him in part because of his pro life stance. How he can hang with these people are beyond me or at least not speak out against them still astounds me. It is time for a gut check and evaulation of the soul with some folks in Illinois.


492 posted on 07/18/2006 11:50:45 AM PDT by catholicfreeper
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To: catholicfreeper
When Tancredo quits endorsing dems and running folks against fellow Republicans and quits hanging out with Radical population control groups I will stop speaking out. Unlike Tancredo that has no problem endorsing people running against Republicans, I have not asked people to support his Dem opponent in the election Mr Winters. Again a difference between what he and his friends represent and me. Also tell Tancredo to quit hanging around Tanton's folks and abortions like former Gov Lamm of Colorodo

Your wacky "Tanton" conspiracy theories aside, Tancredo endorses REPUBLICANS running against REPUBLICANS in REPUBLICAN primaries. Just like Senator McCain endorsed RINO Jim Kolbe in the last Primary Election in my district, and George W. Bush endorsed pro-amnesty Chris Cannon in the recent primary in Utah. Again, you apply a stupid double standard in your desparate and constant attacks on conservative Republican Tom Tancredo.

Ok enough for now, I shall be back. I and others are hot on the trail of more damaging things that are happening to our Republican party and conservative movement. I have some more FEC records to look at as well. So stay tuned. Perhaps I will report back in a few hours.

Yes, you and your quisling pals will be back to attack more conservative Republicans with your silly conspiracy theories, insinuations of racism and other smears. Meanwhile, groups like Code Pink and Derechos Humanos and La Raza escape your scrutiny. Not only do you let the SPLC continue their massive, multi-million dollar grifting without so much as a raise eyebrow, but you use them as your source to attack conservative Republicans. Now, why is that?

Eternal tell your friend Mr Keyes ,that I actually voted for and supported in the Republican primary in 1996. to pray about this. I supported him in part because of his pro life stance. How he can hang with these people are beyond me or at least not speak out against them still astounds me. It is time for a gut check and evaulation of the soul with some folks in Illinois.

Again, you're letting your bizarre conspiracy theories cloud your opinion. Conservative, pro-life, Republican Alan Keys, whom you voted for, is involved with these groups because they are conservative and, like most conservatives, they want our borders secured, our immigration laws enforced, and to never excuse or reward lawbreakers. You've imagined some weird conspiracy about population control and that makes you wonder why Alan Keyes would have any involvement. Could it be that you are wrong and that no conspiracy exists and that Alan Keyes is involved with these groups because they are what they say they are?

493 posted on 07/18/2006 12:00:10 PM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: catholicfreeper
When Tancredo quits endorsing dems and running folks against fellow Republicans and quits hanging out with Radical population control groups I will stop speaking out. Unlike Tancredo that has no problem endorsing people running against Republicans, I have not asked people to support his Dem opponent in the election Mr Winters. Again a difference between what he and his friends represent and me. Also tell Tancredo to quit hanging around Tanton's folks and abortions like former Gov Lamm of Colorodo

I've said it before and I'll say it again because apparently you weren't paying attention or you're just too stupid to comprehend. You imagine some pro-abortion/population control conspiracy that Rep. Tancredo is involved in. Yet the evidence shows that he is one of the most pro-life representatives in Congress. He gets 100% ratings from pro-life groups and 0% ratings from pro-abortion groups. That's because that is the way that he actually votes despite your vivid imagination that he is secretly pro-abortion. Fool.

494 posted on 07/18/2006 12:02:29 PM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: catholicfreeper
I am not aware of any scamnesty bill.

But you seem to be up on every bit of sewage put out by every Leftist group that is against the Minutemen. Interesting.

As for LA Raza, I shall investigate them.

I'm sure they're quaking in their boots.

For the most part all I hear about them is one kooky professor in New Mexico and some idiot that runs a school.

Uhmmm...yeah, right.

I suspsect I don't agree with much they say but ot be honest they are the least of my conserns right now.

Of course they aren't.

Right now I am more concerned with the vipers in my own nest.

Good idea. There are a ton of 'em.

But, unfortunately, you don't seem to be real good at determining who they are...

495 posted on 07/18/2006 12:04:32 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: catholicfreeper
I and others are hot on the trail...So stay tuned.

Sorry. I don't listen to Art Bell.

496 posted on 07/18/2006 12:08:21 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: catholicfreeper

Hey, I just checked a few more ratings. The Population Institute and Population Connection both give Tancredo 0% ratings. These groups are about fighting overpopulation and all for population control and reduction. Now, I wonder why they would give Rep. Tancredo such a low - actually 0% - rating if he was all for population control and such as your bizarro theories state.


497 posted on 07/18/2006 12:35:22 PM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Spiff
A picture is worth a Thousand words Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting That by the way is at FAIR'S Tenn Chapter where Tancredo was speaking. Morer later on this issue
498 posted on 07/18/2006 1:54:54 PM PDT by catholicfreeper
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"AThe connection between some anti-immigration groups and anti-life beliefs has been well documented in recent articles and debates. Many immigration reform experts have received funds or have other connections to people and organizations that advocate anti-life measures such as euthanasia, sterilization, population control and abortion. Below are excerpts from various news articles, studies and other sources demonstrating the links between some anti-immigration groups and the anti-life agenda.

April 26, 2006: Father of Anti-Immigration Group
Awaits History's Judgement
this article appeared on NewsHouse News Service

Anti-Immigration Groups Fathered by John Tanton

The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), which was founded by John Tanton, is the parent group of the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) headed by Mark Kirkorian. Tanton wrote a memo on July 11, 1986 stating, To expand our fund-raising machine, we created the Center for Immigration Studies last year. We need to get CIS fully funded and entrenched as a major Washington think-tank, one that can venture into issues which FAIR is not yet ready to raise. Tanton is the infamous anti-population activist who said in a memo written in 1988 that continued immigration from Latin America would lead to the peaceful takeover of the nation by a group that is simply more fertile.

Tanton, on his own Web site, says that he helped to start other anti-immigration organizations in addition to CIS, such as Roy Becks NumbersUSA. Other organizations, such as the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) and NumbersUSA, both of which he helped to start, but on whose boards he does not serve, have also made stellar contributions to the immigration reform debate. http://www.thesocialcontract.com/puppeteer.html Tanton, again on his own Web site, lists the various groups he funds under U.S., Inc., which includes Becks NumbersUSA. http://www.thesocialcontract.com/usdesc.html.

Tanton has founded and financed other anti-immigration groups as well. In addition to the above-mentioned groups, Tanton sits on the advisory board of American Patrol, now also American Border Patrol. (New Times Los Angeles, BeelzeBubba, May 7, 1998; The Tallahassee Democrat, Anti-immigrant groups: simple answers for simple minds, July 13, 2003)

CIS is part of an anti-immigration syndicate founded by John Tanton, a retired ophthalmologist from Michigan who also founded NumbersUSA and the Federation for American Immigration Reform, and also funds American Patrol - the group that sends vigilantes to the southern border to capture illegal immigrants.

FAIR and Negative Population Growth

Negative Population Growth, an organization once headquartered in the anti-immigration group FAIR’s Washington, DC office, was founded by Donald Mann who stated:

“We should give incentives to low-income people who agree to sterilization. We should make available free abortion to low-income people on demand. And companies should cut back or deny maternity leave to women who have more than two children.” (The Record, Teaneck Group Would Limit Babies, Immigrants, August 15, 1996, pg A01)

Executive director of FAIR, Dan Stein, said of Mann’s group, “NPG is one of a few serious, courageous, meaningful population-control groups that’s seriously dealt with immigration.” (The Record, Teaneck Group Would Limit Babies, Immigrants, August 15, 1996, pg A01)

Political Campaigning

During the current 2004 election cycle, an organization called the Coalition for the Future American Worker has run anti-immigration ads in various districts across the country. This includes thousands of dollars spent on radio ads in Utah’s Third Congressional District attacking Congressman Chris Cannon.

NumbersUSA’s Roy Beck is a spokesperson for the Coalition. Beck said of ads being run in South Dakota, “We don’t run these ads to influence elections, but to influence votes in Congress.” (AP, Daschle campaign ad decries negative third-party commercials, April 23, 2004)

Dan Stein, executive director of FAIR, is also a Coalition board member and spokesperson. According to an article in the Dallas Morning News about Coalition ads being run in a Dallas area congressional race, “Federal records show that the Coalition for the Future American Worker’s member organizations receive financing from other organizations, such as the Pioneer Fund, which studies racial differences and counts Nazi sympathizers among its founders.” (Dallas Morning News, Frost says Sessions should denounce immigration ads, April 7, 2004)

Pioneer Fund gives over $1 million to FAIR

Pioneer Fund has given, through 1996, $1.2 million to FAIR. (Center for New Community Special Report, Divide and Conquer: A Profile of the Federation for American Immigration Reform)

On March 30, 1994, the San Francisco Chronicle wrote:

A confidential memo written by FAIR founder John Tanton, published in 1988, argued that continued immigration from Latin America would lead to the peaceful takeover of the nation by “a group that is simply more fertile.”

FAIR also has been attacked for accepting $ 600,000 in donations since 1988 from the Pioneer Fund, a wealthy New York organization that finances research seeking proof of the genetic superiority of the white race.

If that seems to conflict with its middle-of-the-road image, FAIR has been unbowed. Tanton remains on the board of directors, and Stein defends Pioneer Fund donations.

“I think they support our work because the (Pioneer) trustees agree with what we’’re doing,” he said. “But we pitched the funding proposal to them. They give us money because we asked for it.

The Pioneer Fund and Other Investments

ProjectUSA, an anti-immigration group run by Craig Nelson from New York that has placed billboards in various political races including Utah’s Third Congressional District, has also received money from the Pioneer Fund.

As Cannon has correctly noted, Nelsen also gets sizable donations from the Pioneer Fund, a white supremacist organization that for decades has promoted racial purity through eugenics, a theory of selective human breeding espoused by the Nazis.

IRS 990 forms show the fund awarded $25,000 in grants to ProjectUSA between the years 2000 and 2002. (Salt Lake Tribune, Immigration reform drives sharp wedge in Cannon race, March 29, 2004)

Projects’ express purpose, according to IRS forms, is to educate the public on population control.

The spat between Rep. Chris Cannon, R-Utah, and ProjectUSA, the Washington-based group pushing for strict curbs on immigration, is getting nastier. ProjectUSA started the round by erecting five billboards in Cannon’s district saying that Cannon “Wants Amnesty for Illegal Aliens.” Cannon offered the next punch, charging ProjectUSA and other anti-immigration groups with ties to an “anti-life” agenda that promotes “sterilization, abortion, eugenics, and euthanasia.” Project USA’s stated mission, Cannon said, is to “educate the public on population control.” ProjectUSA quickly denied the charge, saying that never has ProjectUSA ... said that our mission is “to educate the public on population control.” Except maybe on Part III of the project’s 2002 tax return, where it told the IRS that such population-control education was its primary mission. “It appears an inattentive accountant did indeed insert that phrase on some tax forms,” Project USA acknowledged. “So, we were wrong on that account. But then again, so what?” (National Journal, Inside Washington-Gosh Durn Those Precise Accountants, April 4, 2004)

The Pioneer Fund's Anti-Life Agenda

Besides anti-immigration projects, the Pioneer Fund has also used its money for eugenic research. Eugenics is defined as “the study of hereditary improvement of the human race by controlled selective breeding.” New York millionaires created the Pioneer Fund “and charged it with backing research in heredity, eugenics and ’’race betterment.’’ (Phoenix New Times, Jingo All the Way, December 25, 1997)

When questioned about Pioneer Fund contributions, Tanton “claimed ignorant about the Pioneer Fund’s connection to numerous researchers seemingly intent on proving the inferiority of blacks, as well as its unsavory ties to Nazism. Among materials published by Tanton’s Social Contract Press include the video Immigration by the Numbers, by Roy Beck, the executive director of NumbersUSA. (Phoenix New Times, Jingo All the Way, December 25, 1997)

Richard Lamm’s Anti-Life Agenda

Chairman of the Board of Advisors for FAIR and Former Colorado Governor Richard Lamm, stated in 1984 that terminally ill people have a “duty to die and get out of the way” (UPI March 29, 1984) and has also been associated with euthanasia for the elderly as a means to population control.

Governor Lamm is quoted in a May 1985 article as saying, “The best thing that could happen to this country is for a whole bunch of hospitals to go broke.” This comment is attributed to a belief that medicine is prolonging the life spans of individuals thus causing population problems.

Lamm, while Governor of Colorado, was quoted during a speech to seniors that everyone had a “duty to die” so that the next generation wouldn’t be burdened with their care. After a trip to India in 1967, Lamm returned to say that he “came back vowing to work on the problem of human population.” He sponsored the country’s first liberalized abortion bill in the state legislature. (Denver Westword, It’’s Not Easy Being Green; Look Who’s Mad at Dick Lamm Now!, March 18, 2004)

The Wall Street Journal Makes the Connection

Below is an excerpt from a March 15, 2004 editorial by Jason Riley, a senior editorial page writer at the Journal.

“So determined is conservatism’s nativist wing that it’s even made common cause with radical environmentalists and zero-population-growth fanatics on the leftist fringe. The Federation for American Immigration Reform and the Center for Immigration Studies may strike right-wing poses in the press, but both groups support big government, mock federalism, deride free markets and push a cultural agenda abhorrent to any self-respecting social conservative.

FAIR’s founder and former president is John Tanton, an eye doctor who opened the first Planned Parenthood chapter in northern Michigan. By Dr. Tanton’s own reckoning, FAIR has received more than $1.5 million from the Pioneer Fund, a white-supremacist outfit devoted to racial purity through eugenics.

Board members of FAIR actively promote the sterilization of Third World women for the purposes of reducing U.S. immigration prospects. And if anything disturbs the good doctor more than those Latin American hordes crossing the Rio Grande, it’s the likelihood that most of them are Catholic, or so he once told a Reuters reporter.

CIS, an equally repugnant FAIR offshoot, is a big fan of China’s one-child policy and publishes books advocating looser limits on abortion and wider use of RU-486. CIS considers the Sierra Club, which cites “stabilizing world population” fourth on its 21st century to-do list, as too moderate. And like FAIR, CIS has called for a target U.S. population of 150 million, about half of what it is today.

Unlike their counterparts on the restrictionist right, these organizations don’t distinguish between legal and illegal immigration. They want the border sealed as a means to a fanciful, neo-Malthusian end. Both sides, however, do share the same intellectual framework -- an overriding pessimism and lack of understanding about markets, which is why both also tend to oppose free trade
h and more for your study here.




You see Spiff the Wall Street Jouranl is correct. The Tancredo wing is lying in the bed with the devil here. In order to win on this issue they are giving greater access than ever to the conservative movement by these extremist. They are unofficial staffers for the Immigration reform Caucus in the House. Heck prob some offical ones now. I have to remember to check on the latest shennigans going on over there. The former head at CIS is not a writer at National review. Something unthinkable a few years ago. My project today is to look at Tanton's PAC and his new FEC numbers there are always suprises there. But anyway. This is extremely dangerous for those the anti life agenda. This will ahve a long term impact. In fact I am seeing it now in other issues. Anyway more later


499 posted on 07/18/2006 2:07:19 PM PDT by catholicfreeper
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Your post on those groups is missing the point. The people who ownResponse unlimited and Responseenterprises own this project in arizona lock stock and barrier. There is a huge conflict. Also lets be clear about responseenterprises. They do not provide servies for 3/4 of those folks at least. In other words this 55 million dollar scam is a money maker to help them with their other clients and their own organization. That is the reason this is so unethical. It is also why it is so prone to abuse.


500 posted on 07/18/2006 2:15:02 PM PDT by catholicfreeper
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