That by the way is at FAIR'S Tenn Chapter where Tancredo was speaking. Morer later on this issue
Posted on 07/14/2006 9:00:33 PM PDT by Spiff
Hmmm...doesn't appear to be anything "secret" about it.
This is a scam. Worse it is putting money into organizations that spend their time attacking other conservatives. La Raza?, Heck I never get the the bile and attacks from them that I do from so called "conservatives".
I've posted fact after fact and you've responded by posting ignorant statement after race-baiting smear after lie after more smears after bizarre conspiracy ideas. The movement to secure the borders and have our immigration laws enforced is not going away just because you want to pretend that everyone involved is a grifter, scam artist, racist, fringe, third party, unappeasable, extremist nor how many other smears you and your fellow smear artists invent. Meanwhile, you place yourself squarely with the leftists against the conservatives who want the border secured and our immigration laws enforced and not a single lawbreaker excused or rewarded for his crimes.
Not everyone involved in this is racist. I never said that. My main opposition to the groups involved are the Tanton groups, the Council of Conservative Citizens, and other extremist groups. I oppose the Tanton influence because if it gains more power in the conservative movement , pro life issues are in severe danger. Long term if their demographic policies are put into effect our very own economic and national security will be at risk
I might support the Presidents view on this issue but I am quite aware that there are people of good faith that disagree. That is what is different between you and me I believe. My concern with the minutemen were because I was seeing connection that were quite open with some extremist groups. The money scam aspect of this came to light later.
There are other honorable groups that oppose illegal immigration and oppose the view of the President, Sen Graham, Sen Brownback,for instance. I suggest associating with them.
As to conspiracy theories. FAIR CIS USANUMbERS and other tanton groups thave been fairly open about their agenda if you care to look. In the case of Simcox and this group it is a money making scam and also a tatempt to funnel money into other groups to keep making the $$$$$$ I believe.
I realize that this house is crumbling around you. I do feel for you. Time to get out and associate with people that don't scam and don't use the politcs of destruction to try to achieve a political victory. There is a much more honorable way.
Not everyone involved in this is racist. I never said that. My main opposition to the groups involved are the Tanton groups, the Council of Conservative Citizens, and other extremist groups. I oppose the Tanton influence because if it gains more power in the conservative movement , pro life issues are in severe danger. Long term if their demographic policies are put into effect our very own economic and national security will be at risk
I might support the Presidents view on this issue but I am quite aware that there are people of good faith that disagree. That is what is different between you and me I believe. My concern with the minutemen were because I was seeing connection that were quite open with some extremist groups. The money scam aspect of this came to light later.
There are other honorable groups that oppose illegal immigration and oppose the view of the President, Sen Graham, Sen Brownback,for instance. I suggest associating with them.
As to conspiracy theories. FAIR CIS USANUMbERS and other tanton groups thave been fairly open about their agenda if you care to look. In the case of Simcox and this group it is a money making scam and also a tatempt to funnel money into other groups to keep making the $$$$$$ I believe.
I realize that this house is crumbling around you. I do feel for you. Time to get out and associate with people that don't scam and don't use the politcs of destruction to try to achieve a political victory. There is a much more honorable way.
The funny thing is that appear to be typing that stuff with a straight face.
The funny thing is that you appear to be typing that stuff with a straight face.
Are you aware that Senator Brownback joined Karl Rove and Bill Clinton in addressing the racist La Raza group, and that he supported the Senate scamnesty bill? Or are you really as dumb as you appear to be?
Being that you are consistent and fair, I'm sure you have great concern about Karl Rove speaking to an extremist group last week, right?
And the President is going to address the NAACP, they say...
You've perceived connections where none exist. You based a bunch of it on the clients that their direct mail vendor has on their list. Your theory was blown out of the water when I posted a more complete list of clients but you're too stupid to realize that.
There are other honorable groups that oppose illegal immigration and oppose the view of the President, Sen Graham, Sen Brownback,for instance. I suggest associating with them. As to conspiracy theories. FAIR CIS USANUMbERS and other tanton groups thave been fairly open about their agenda if you care to look. In the case of Simcox and this group it is a money making scam and also a tatempt to funnel money into other groups to keep making the $$$$$$ I believe.
Your conspiracy theories get grander and grander every day. No, really CF, its the stonecutters behind all of this and their funneling money from Simcox, MCDC, Response Enterprises, Deiner, Tancredo, Bay Buchanan, into their global enterprise to rule the world. You are a fool.
I realize that this house is crumbling around you. I do feel for you. Time to get out and associate with people that don't scam and don't use the politcs of destruction to try to achieve a political victory. There is a much more honorable way.
There's nothing crumbling around here except your already worthless credibility on this subject. And as for politics of destruction, what do you call it when you and your quisling pals trash conservative Republican Tom Tancredo on a regular basis? Honorable? Not even close.
I am not aware of any scamnesty bill. As for LA Raza, I shall investigate them. For the most part all I hear about them is one kooky professor in New Mexico and some idiot that runs a school. I suspsect I don't agree with much they say but ot be honest they are the least of my conserns right now. Right now I am more concerned with the vipers in my own nest.
When Tancredo quits endorsing dems and running folks against fellow Republicans and quits hanging out with Radical population control groups I will stop speaking out. Unlike Tancredo that has no problem endorsing people running against Republicans, I have not asked people to support his Dem opponent in the election Mr Winters. Again a difference between what he and his friends represent and me. Also tell Tancredo to quit hanging around Tanton's folks and abortions like former Gov Lamm of Colorodo
Ok enough for now, I shall be back. I and others are hot on the trail of more damaging things that are happening to our Republican party and conservative movement. I have some more FEC records to look at as well. So stay tuned. Perhaps I will report back in a few hours.
I leave you Gentlemen with this from the MArch 15 2004 Wall Street Editoral-
""“So determined is conservatism’s nativist wing that it’s even made common cause with radical environmentalists and zero-population-growth fanatics on the leftist fringe. The Federation for American Immigration Reform and the Center for Immigration Studies may strike right-wing poses in the press, but both groups support big government, mock federalism, deride free markets and push a cultural agenda abhorrent to any self-respecting social conservative"
Eternal tell your friend Mr Keyes ,that I actually voted for and supported in the Republican primary in 1996. to pray about this. I supported him in part because of his pro life stance. How he can hang with these people are beyond me or at least not speak out against them still astounds me. It is time for a gut check and evaulation of the soul with some folks in Illinois.
Your wacky "Tanton" conspiracy theories aside, Tancredo endorses REPUBLICANS running against REPUBLICANS in REPUBLICAN primaries. Just like Senator McCain endorsed RINO Jim Kolbe in the last Primary Election in my district, and George W. Bush endorsed pro-amnesty Chris Cannon in the recent primary in Utah. Again, you apply a stupid double standard in your desparate and constant attacks on conservative Republican Tom Tancredo.
Ok enough for now, I shall be back. I and others are hot on the trail of more damaging things that are happening to our Republican party and conservative movement. I have some more FEC records to look at as well. So stay tuned. Perhaps I will report back in a few hours.
Yes, you and your quisling pals will be back to attack more conservative Republicans with your silly conspiracy theories, insinuations of racism and other smears. Meanwhile, groups like Code Pink and Derechos Humanos and La Raza escape your scrutiny. Not only do you let the SPLC continue their massive, multi-million dollar grifting without so much as a raise eyebrow, but you use them as your source to attack conservative Republicans. Now, why is that?
Eternal tell your friend Mr Keyes ,that I actually voted for and supported in the Republican primary in 1996. to pray about this. I supported him in part because of his pro life stance. How he can hang with these people are beyond me or at least not speak out against them still astounds me. It is time for a gut check and evaulation of the soul with some folks in Illinois.
Again, you're letting your bizarre conspiracy theories cloud your opinion. Conservative, pro-life, Republican Alan Keys, whom you voted for, is involved with these groups because they are conservative and, like most conservatives, they want our borders secured, our immigration laws enforced, and to never excuse or reward lawbreakers. You've imagined some weird conspiracy about population control and that makes you wonder why Alan Keyes would have any involvement. Could it be that you are wrong and that no conspiracy exists and that Alan Keyes is involved with these groups because they are what they say they are?
I've said it before and I'll say it again because apparently you weren't paying attention or you're just too stupid to comprehend. You imagine some pro-abortion/population control conspiracy that Rep. Tancredo is involved in. Yet the evidence shows that he is one of the most pro-life representatives in Congress. He gets 100% ratings from pro-life groups and 0% ratings from pro-abortion groups. That's because that is the way that he actually votes despite your vivid imagination that he is secretly pro-abortion. Fool.
But you seem to be up on every bit of sewage put out by every Leftist group that is against the Minutemen. Interesting.
As for LA Raza, I shall investigate them.
I'm sure they're quaking in their boots.
For the most part all I hear about them is one kooky professor in New Mexico and some idiot that runs a school.
Uhmmm...yeah, right.
I suspsect I don't agree with much they say but ot be honest they are the least of my conserns right now.
Of course they aren't.
Right now I am more concerned with the vipers in my own nest.
Good idea. There are a ton of 'em.
But, unfortunately, you don't seem to be real good at determining who they are...
Sorry. I don't listen to Art Bell.
Hey, I just checked a few more ratings. The Population Institute and Population Connection both give Tancredo 0% ratings. These groups are about fighting overpopulation and all for population control and reduction. Now, I wonder why they would give Rep. Tancredo such a low - actually 0% - rating if he was all for population control and such as your bizarro theories state.
That by the way is at FAIR'S Tenn Chapter where Tancredo was speaking. Morer later on this issue
"AThe connection between some anti-immigration groups and anti-life beliefs has been well documented in recent articles and debates. Many immigration reform experts have received funds or have other connections to people and organizations that advocate anti-life measures such as euthanasia, sterilization, population control and abortion. Below are excerpts from various news articles, studies and other sources demonstrating the links between some anti-immigration groups and the anti-life agenda.
April 26, 2006: Father of Anti-Immigration Group
Awaits History's Judgement
this article appeared on NewsHouse News Service
Anti-Immigration Groups Fathered by John Tanton
The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), which was founded by John Tanton, is the parent group of the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) headed by Mark Kirkorian. Tanton wrote a memo on July 11, 1986 stating, To expand our fund-raising machine, we created the Center for Immigration Studies last year. We need to get CIS fully funded and entrenched as a major Washington think-tank, one that can venture into issues which FAIR is not yet ready to raise. Tanton is the infamous anti-population activist who said in a memo written in 1988 that continued immigration from Latin America would lead to the peaceful takeover of the nation by a group that is simply more fertile.
Tanton, on his own Web site, says that he helped to start other anti-immigration organizations in addition to CIS, such as Roy Becks NumbersUSA. Other organizations, such as the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) and NumbersUSA, both of which he helped to start, but on whose boards he does not serve, have also made stellar contributions to the immigration reform debate. http://www.thesocialcontract.com/puppeteer.html Tanton, again on his own Web site, lists the various groups he funds under U.S., Inc., which includes Becks NumbersUSA. http://www.thesocialcontract.com/usdesc.html.
Tanton has founded and financed other anti-immigration groups as well. In addition to the above-mentioned groups, Tanton sits on the advisory board of American Patrol, now also American Border Patrol. (New Times Los Angeles, BeelzeBubba, May 7, 1998; The Tallahassee Democrat, Anti-immigrant groups: simple answers for simple minds, July 13, 2003)
CIS is part of an anti-immigration syndicate founded by John Tanton, a retired ophthalmologist from Michigan who also founded NumbersUSA and the Federation for American Immigration Reform, and also funds American Patrol - the group that sends vigilantes to the southern border to capture illegal immigrants.
FAIR and Negative Population Growth
Negative Population Growth, an organization once headquartered in the anti-immigration group FAIR’s Washington, DC office, was founded by Donald Mann who stated:
“We should give incentives to low-income people who agree to sterilization. We should make available free abortion to low-income people on demand. And companies should cut back or deny maternity leave to women who have more than two children.” (The Record, Teaneck Group Would Limit Babies, Immigrants, August 15, 1996, pg A01)
Executive director of FAIR, Dan Stein, said of Mann’s group, “NPG is one of a few serious, courageous, meaningful population-control groups that’s seriously dealt with immigration.” (The Record, Teaneck Group Would Limit Babies, Immigrants, August 15, 1996, pg A01)
Political Campaigning
During the current 2004 election cycle, an organization called the Coalition for the Future American Worker has run anti-immigration ads in various districts across the country. This includes thousands of dollars spent on radio ads in Utah’s Third Congressional District attacking Congressman Chris Cannon.
NumbersUSA’s Roy Beck is a spokesperson for the Coalition. Beck said of ads being run in South Dakota, “We don’t run these ads to influence elections, but to influence votes in Congress.” (AP, Daschle campaign ad decries negative third-party commercials, April 23, 2004)
Dan Stein, executive director of FAIR, is also a Coalition board member and spokesperson. According to an article in the Dallas Morning News about Coalition ads being run in a Dallas area congressional race, “Federal records show that the Coalition for the Future American Worker’s member organizations receive financing from other organizations, such as the Pioneer Fund, which studies racial differences and counts Nazi sympathizers among its founders.” (Dallas Morning News, Frost says Sessions should denounce immigration ads, April 7, 2004)
Pioneer Fund gives over $1 million to FAIR
Pioneer Fund has given, through 1996, $1.2 million to FAIR. (Center for New Community Special Report, Divide and Conquer: A Profile of the Federation for American Immigration Reform)
On March 30, 1994, the San Francisco Chronicle wrote:
A confidential memo written by FAIR founder John Tanton, published in 1988, argued that continued immigration from Latin America would lead to the peaceful takeover of the nation by “a group that is simply more fertile.”
FAIR also has been attacked for accepting $ 600,000 in donations since 1988 from the Pioneer Fund, a wealthy New York organization that finances research seeking proof of the genetic superiority of the white race.
If that seems to conflict with its middle-of-the-road image, FAIR has been unbowed. Tanton remains on the board of directors, and Stein defends Pioneer Fund donations.
“I think they support our work because the (Pioneer) trustees agree with what we’’re doing,” he said. “But we pitched the funding proposal to them. They give us money because we asked for it.
The Pioneer Fund and Other Investments
ProjectUSA, an anti-immigration group run by Craig Nelson from New York that has placed billboards in various political races including Utah’s Third Congressional District, has also received money from the Pioneer Fund.
As Cannon has correctly noted, Nelsen also gets sizable donations from the Pioneer Fund, a white supremacist organization that for decades has promoted racial purity through eugenics, a theory of selective human breeding espoused by the Nazis.
IRS 990 forms show the fund awarded $25,000 in grants to ProjectUSA between the years 2000 and 2002. (Salt Lake Tribune, Immigration reform drives sharp wedge in Cannon race, March 29, 2004)
Projects’ express purpose, according to IRS forms, is to educate the public on population control.
The spat between Rep. Chris Cannon, R-Utah, and ProjectUSA, the Washington-based group pushing for strict curbs on immigration, is getting nastier. ProjectUSA started the round by erecting five billboards in Cannon’s district saying that Cannon “Wants Amnesty for Illegal Aliens.” Cannon offered the next punch, charging ProjectUSA and other anti-immigration groups with ties to an “anti-life” agenda that promotes “sterilization, abortion, eugenics, and euthanasia.” Project USA’s stated mission, Cannon said, is to “educate the public on population control.” ProjectUSA quickly denied the charge, saying that never has ProjectUSA ... said that our mission is “to educate the public on population control.” Except maybe on Part III of the project’s 2002 tax return, where it told the IRS that such population-control education was its primary mission. “It appears an inattentive accountant did indeed insert that phrase on some tax forms,” Project USA acknowledged. “So, we were wrong on that account. But then again, so what?” (National Journal, Inside Washington-Gosh Durn Those Precise Accountants, April 4, 2004)
The Pioneer Fund's Anti-Life Agenda
Besides anti-immigration projects, the Pioneer Fund has also used its money for eugenic research. Eugenics is defined as “the study of hereditary improvement of the human race by controlled selective breeding.” New York millionaires created the Pioneer Fund “and charged it with backing research in heredity, eugenics and ’’race betterment.’’ (Phoenix New Times, Jingo All the Way, December 25, 1997)
When questioned about Pioneer Fund contributions, Tanton “claimed ignorant about the Pioneer Fund’s connection to numerous researchers seemingly intent on proving the inferiority of blacks, as well as its unsavory ties to Nazism. Among materials published by Tanton’s Social Contract Press include the video Immigration by the Numbers, by Roy Beck, the executive director of NumbersUSA. (Phoenix New Times, Jingo All the Way, December 25, 1997)
Richard Lamm’s Anti-Life Agenda
Chairman of the Board of Advisors for FAIR and Former Colorado Governor Richard Lamm, stated in 1984 that terminally ill people have a “duty to die and get out of the way” (UPI March 29, 1984) and has also been associated with euthanasia for the elderly as a means to population control.
Governor Lamm is quoted in a May 1985 article as saying, “The best thing that could happen to this country is for a whole bunch of hospitals to go broke.” This comment is attributed to a belief that medicine is prolonging the life spans of individuals thus causing population problems.
Lamm, while Governor of Colorado, was quoted during a speech to seniors that everyone had a “duty to die” so that the next generation wouldn’t be burdened with their care. After a trip to India in 1967, Lamm returned to say that he “came back vowing to work on the problem of human population.” He sponsored the country’s first liberalized abortion bill in the state legislature. (Denver Westword, It’’s Not Easy Being Green; Look Who’s Mad at Dick Lamm Now!, March 18, 2004)
The Wall Street Journal Makes the Connection
Below is an excerpt from a March 15, 2004 editorial by Jason Riley, a senior editorial page writer at the Journal.
“So determined is conservatism’s nativist wing that it’s even made common cause with radical environmentalists and zero-population-growth fanatics on the leftist fringe. The Federation for American Immigration Reform and the Center for Immigration Studies may strike right-wing poses in the press, but both groups support big government, mock federalism, deride free markets and push a cultural agenda abhorrent to any self-respecting social conservative.
FAIR’s founder and former president is John Tanton, an eye doctor who opened the first Planned Parenthood chapter in northern Michigan. By Dr. Tanton’s own reckoning, FAIR has received more than $1.5 million from the Pioneer Fund, a white-supremacist outfit devoted to racial purity through eugenics.
Board members of FAIR actively promote the sterilization of Third World women for the purposes of reducing U.S. immigration prospects. And if anything disturbs the good doctor more than those Latin American hordes crossing the Rio Grande, it’s the likelihood that most of them are Catholic, or so he once told a Reuters reporter.
CIS, an equally repugnant FAIR offshoot, is a big fan of China’s one-child policy and publishes books advocating looser limits on abortion and wider use of RU-486. CIS considers the Sierra Club, which cites “stabilizing world population” fourth on its 21st century to-do list, as too moderate. And like FAIR, CIS has called for a target U.S. population of 150 million, about half of what it is today.
Unlike their counterparts on the restrictionist right, these organizations don’t distinguish between legal and illegal immigration. They want the border sealed as a means to a fanciful, neo-Malthusian end. Both sides, however, do share the same intellectual framework -- an overriding pessimism and lack of understanding about markets, which is why both also tend to oppose free trade
h and more for your study here.
You see Spiff the Wall Street Jouranl is correct. The Tancredo wing is lying in the bed with the devil here. In order to win on this issue they are giving greater access than ever to the conservative movement by these extremist. They are unofficial staffers for the Immigration reform Caucus in the House. Heck prob some offical ones now. I have to remember to check on the latest shennigans going on over there. The former head at CIS is not a writer at National review. Something unthinkable a few years ago. My project today is to look at Tanton's PAC and his new FEC numbers there are always suprises there. But anyway. This is extremely dangerous for those the anti life agenda. This will ahve a long term impact. In fact I am seeing it now in other issues. Anyway more later
Your post on those groups is missing the point. The people who ownResponse unlimited and Responseenterprises own this project in arizona lock stock and barrier. There is a huge conflict. Also lets be clear about responseenterprises. They do not provide servies for 3/4 of those folks at least. In other words this 55 million dollar scam is a money maker to help them with their other clients and their own organization. That is the reason this is so unethical. It is also why it is so prone to abuse.
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