Minuteman Civil Defense Project President Chris Simcox Answers Critics

Minuteman Civil Defense Project Mass Email | 14 July 2006 | Chris Simcox

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Minuteman Civil Defense Corps Chris's Answer To Critics

6501 Greenway Parkway Suite 103-640 Scottsdale, AZ 85254 :: Phone (520) 829-3112

"True courage is not the brutal force of vulgar heroes, but the firm resolve of virtue and reason." —Alfred North Whitehead

First, I want to say thank you to all the supporters and believers in this great grassroots movement known as the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps; your dedication has paid off in the momentum we now see across the nation as citizens have reached the level of awareness and frustration we have shared for years.  They are now following your leadership, taking action, and are demanding that our borders be secured.  Our public servants are listening, the politicians are scrambling—positive change is in the air.
               
I find myself in front of the computer finally able to catch up on things after a whirlwind year in which I've logged about 200,000 travel miles spreading the word, educating Americans, confronting elected officials, and recruiting volunteers and supporters of this great Minuteman movement. 
  
It is important that we, the organization and its officers, get into the routine of giving you timely updates on our activities and direction for the future.  Also, in light of some recent misinformation being spread about the Internet it is time to give you, the volunteers and the general public, a report on the progress of MCDC and the Minuteman Border Fence projects.

The Minuteman Border Fence
"If you pursue evil with pleasure, the pleasure passes away and the evil remains; if you pursue good with labor, the labor passes away but the good remains." —Cicero

The first phase of our fence building project began during Memorial Day, and I emphasize “the first phase.”  Given the political duplicity of the U.S. Senate’s vote this week NOT to fund the federal border fence they “approved” just two months ago, we were right in our judgment to proceed.  We gave President Bush an ultimatum, which he only partially and weakly answered with a directive that 6,000 National Guard—mostly unarmed personnel—be deployed to the border to “support” the outgunned and outmanned Border Patrol.

While we know that the move will help somewhat—ANY official presence helps—this is woefully inadequate to effectively secure the border.  So, we decided to go ahead with our fence building as a message back to Bush and Congress—Secure the Border—Now!

We decided first to quickly come to the aid of a supportive local rancher in Cochise County, Arizona by helping him protect his cattle.  The plans for the fence to meet the rancher’s requirements were explicitly outlined during numerous interviews with the media. Of course, we all know the problems in getting the media to print accurate facts or statements in their entirety.  The explicit plans of the design of the fence on the Ladd ranch were clearly outlined in detail during dozens of radio interviews, and that's where you can find the truth.  However, inaccurate statements, taken out of context, by one small town newspaper reporter have fed some circulation of false and malicious claims of a “scam” because the first fence section omitted trenching that would have proved dangerous to the rancher’s cattle.

There was immediately some vandalism to the fence, which has been repaired, and better secured against further attack.
 
That small town reporter got it wrong, just as every other print reporter in this country seems to do.  Never did we make the claim that the double layered Gaza-style security fence would be built on the Ladd ranch.  It was stated over and over that the full blown security fence design would be built when we reached conclusive negotiations with other landowners who were looking at the advisability of erecting such a fence on their properties.  We have now completed arrangements with those ranchers and landowners, and in fact the next section built will be the full Israeli-style fence, with construction commencing soon.  Our precise timetable will depend upon resolving a few lingering engineering issues, and the successful conclusion of certain liability matters as required by law.  It will NOT depend upon the ill-informed hostility of those seeking our failure, or wishing to stir up controversy and increase donations to their foundering organizations.

If one reads our description of the fence building effort instead of just focusing on our generic graphic model, we have clearly stated there will have to be a variety of fence design adaptations, including the “full blown” double layered Gaza Strip-styled security fence.  Coincidently, that precise fence design has been recently adopted by the U.S. federal government in their planning, as well. 

Obviously, this is the most effective design to prevent incursions across our sovereign border.  However, our mission includes coming to the aid of landowners and in two cases we are adjusting our fence construction to design specifications that meet the particular needs of the host landowners.  In the case of the Ladd ranch, we wanted to help protect the rancher's cattle.  The first step was to erect a five-strand barbed-wire fence to protect the cattle from the concertina wire, and the vehicle barriers, both of which will be added later with further accommodations.  So, specifically, there will be a layer of barbed-wire fencing to protect the cattle, concertina wire to prevent human beings from climbing the fence, and steel vehicle barriers to prevent automobiles from driving through the fence.  It seems some folks have a tough time with reading comprehension or visualization of the projected fence designs.

Regarding the funds collected as contributions to the fence project:  All donations which have been received have been recorded, processed, and banked by a highly reputable and responsible caging company which specializes in non-profit accountability.  Funds are safely and appropriately held in a secured bank account, overseen by a certified public accountant and a lawyer, disbursed by an authorized escrow agent only against approved, invoiced expenses.  Some folks want to make it seem as if I personally have collected donor funds, turned them into cash, and have the money hidden under my mattress at home.  For the record, I do not touch contributions at any stage, and I do not personally control MCDC bank accounts—again, objective professional fiduciary officers are accountable for all money in and money out.

All donations are secured in a federal financial institution—a bank, and may be applied only towards the fence building enterprise.  The funds cannot be used in any other way.  We estimate the original 2.2 miles of completed fencing (including concertina wire and vehicle barriers) on the Ladd ranch will run approximately $17,000—could be slightly more could be slightly less. 

To ensure quality control and limit liability issues going forward, we have hired a local contractor to oversee the whole Minuteman Fence project—the contractor charges a minimal reduced fee as their civic contribution to the effort.  We have completed our research on procurement of the materials necessary to construct the Gaza-style double layered security fence.  In fact, the 4” x 4” heavy gauge steel fence post has been purchased; the heavy gauge steel wire mesh and a concertina wire mesh material for the top of the fence have all been located and will be purchased soon.  All of the materials will be moved over the next few weeks, along with heavy equipment, to the ranch area slated for construction phase two.

We are also planning on creating metal plaques with the names of those who wish acknowledgement, who have donated to the Minuteman Border Fence project.  These will be attached to the interior layer of fencing once the construction has been completed.  Everything we promise will be fulfilled.

Volunteers
We have over 1,500 cleared volunteers in our fence volunteer database.  We have many, many more being vetted.  They are being sorted, are being contacted, and will be utilized to create “work teams” to assist with completing the first 2.2 miles of fence, and then will apply their efforts towards helping to build the next phase of the fencing project, which will include the full double layered, 15 foot high, Gaza-style, security fence.  I emphasize the word helping, to clearly define volunteer tasks.  We will be required to “hire” some professionals to help maintain the quality control of the project and limit liability.

Timeline
There has been plenty of vicious criticism about our timeline—ill informed, and I would also ask, “Compared to what?”  Let's look at some obvious physical challenges confronting the fence project.  Extreme summertime temperatures create a situation that is dangerous for our volunteers.  We have decided to hold off launching parts of the project until temperatures are more favorable for all those working.  We have even looked into the expense of renting lighting systems so that volunteers could work after sundown.  However, there are obvious security risks involved in that approach.  Taken together, we have decided it is prudent to wait a bit, and carefully plan and prepare for the next phase. 

In the meantime, we have completed our actual fence blueprints, which are now in the hands of an accredited architect, and engineers, who are ensuring that the fence design meets all regulatory requirements in its construction.  There are of course tremendous liability implications in this project that we are continuously addressing.

We have two landowners in Arizona who have committed to the construction of 1.5 miles of the double layered Gaza-style security fence. (You can read an op-ed written by one of those landowners at the end of this document.)

                We are now in negotiations with a landowner in California, who would like to see the double layered Gaza-style security fence built along his property, to protect his constitutionally-guaranteed pursuit of happiness on sovereign U.S. soil.

 Building fences, such as the double layered Gaza-style security fence, is an enormous engineering and construction feat.  The federal government still flatly refuses to take this on, despite the double-talk.  It must be planned carefully with the safety of the volunteers being considered first and foremost in importance.  Plans needed to be drawn, materials needed to be acquired.  

Some good news is that, contrary to false information disseminated by Internet web sites, a close review of the respective county planning and zoning ordinances show no laws or regulations which would prevent a landowner from erecting this type of fence in a non-residential zoned area on private property.  The fence is being erected on the edge of the front tier along the border—if the government can build such a fence, then our best legal advice says that a private property owner can also erect the same style of fence. 

We will this summer and fall complete the first 2.2 mile section of fence, meeting the requirements of the Ladd family.  As contributions will allow, we will complete just over 1.5 mile of the double layered Gaza-style fence as illustrated on our web site. 

I guess some people feel that it should be built based on their time schedule; however, we will build it as we see fit and by a timeline that works best for our volunteers and the courageous landowners who are stepping forward.
               
I find it interesting that those mouthing charges of skepticism against our fence building continue to claim “Minuteman” credentials.  It is just sad these people resort to making hollow accusations against our very public efforts while sending out letters that laud their “association” with the Minutemen on the border, and engage in private fund-raising campaigns based on alleging “corruption” within the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps fence building operation.  While we continue, step by step, to build—I wonder if the press will investigate the use of donations collected by these elements?

MCDC Finances
"Anybody who is any good is different from anybody else." —Felix Frankfurter

On a related topic, I guess it's time to counter another attack piece attempting to cast doubt upon the appropriations of donations to MCDC.  Not only are we constantly embattled by the open borders and anti-rule of law lobbyists, but now we seem to be constantly attacked by people who claim to be part of the secure borders movement, but are actually working under a thinly veiled, racist agenda.  Then we have those who disagreed with our approach to the border security problem and quit the organization only to continue to call themselves Minutemen, while assailing us with wild and vindictive allegations of improprieties.  We also have those who were terminated from MCDC for violating our code of conduct that is explicitly outlined in our standard operating procedures.

Some such people contacted a local Phoenix ABC television affiliate.  This hit piece, done by a local Phoenix ABC affiliate was prompted by “disclosures” offered ABC by two anti-Semites, who last April demanded that we allow them to manage Minuteman operations, including all of its funding, donations and crafting of our media message.  I rejected their “offer,” and my decision has proved to be a wise one.
 
Of course, we knew better than to let anyone with racialist history anywhere near MCDC, and obviously now have evidence that we made the correct decision in hiring clean professional consultants, accountants, media professionals who work for us to help us manage our business as the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, sees fit.
 
In a classic yellow journalistic hit piece, the ABC reporter, using clever editing, made it seem as if MCDC volunteers were concerned about fiduciary responsibilities on the part of the organization.  The facts were that everyone they interviewed had either quit the organization or had been terminated and clearly had sour grapes because they did not meet MCDC standards. 

ABC even made it seem as if our volunteers had no porta-potties at the location of our border watch operations.  In one part of the report, a trusted and dedicated line leader was asked if porta-potties were available to volunteers.  What you did not see was that the volunteer was asked the question while on a scouting mission along one of our observation lines located far away from the base camp.  Of course, we don't provide porta-potties in the middle of nowhere, and the ABC reporter made it seem as though we were not providing volunteers with even bathroom facilities.  The same camera crew had full access to our base camp, our comms center, and the equipment center—and even used the porta-potties that we have always made available to our volunteers.

I've included a couple of photos, which clearly show the capital equipment that donations have been used to purchase.  Each and every border watch state—Texas, New Mexico, California, Arizona, Washington State, New York, Vermont and New Hampshire receives funding for equipment, operations and recruitment meetings.  Again I must emphasize the reporter's piece was full of lies, innuendo and crass conspiracy theories prompted and promoted by people who either quit the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps or were terminated due to a lack of integrity or a violation of our standard operating procedures.
 
All of our financial operations are overseen by professionals including a caging agency, banking institutions, a professional accountant, a professional auditor, a non-profits specialty attorney, etc.  All checks, credit card and any other cash donations received go directly into designated bank accounts, overseen by these professionals.  Yes, professionals we have hired (that means donations go to pay them for services) to ensure fiduciary integrity of the funds donated to the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps.  Everyone must realize that by hiring responsible and respected professionals we ensure the integrity of the operation and keep funds separated from the volunteer national leadership directors.    

By the way, no accredited professional financial institution or company would dare risk their livelihoods or their reputation by working for the MCDC if they did not believe in our cause and our integrity—nor would they risk the chance of violating the IRS regulations by playing monkey business with funds that come into this organization.  Not only would these professionals risk ruining their careers and their reputations, they risk violating federal laws and going to jail.
 
I wonder if those foolish enough to question the integrity of the finances of this operation would be willing to open their books, expose everything in their bank accounts or rely on unaccredited individuals to manage their finances?

So even though we've met every obligation and hired professional management there are still those from outside who seek to destroy our American citizens’ movement.

For those who just ask the question where does the money go—let me take you on just a short journey through a rapidly growing national movement.  The following is a list of just a few of the areas where the money goes to good use:

Web site development, updates to the web site, blast email communications, our database, updates to the database, computer equipment, which MCDC owns; servers, bandwidth for a web site that receives upwards of several hundred thousand hits or more each week. 

Let's talk about the phone systems and communications—most of our national leadership team or state directors have been provided Internet phones in their home offices at no personal charge, paid for by donations.  We have purchased and pay charges for cell phones provided for our field operations and our national directors. 

For the field, we have satellite phones, radio equipment, repeaters, antennae, extra radio batteries, battery chargers, flashlights, maps, dry erase boards, porta-potties.

How about background checks, ID cards, email blasts like this one—all our operations cost money.  We are constantly reaching out to find and educate more of our fellow Americans, which requires funds be expended for postage and fees for direct mailing, press releases that are professionally written, proofed, and distributed to the mainstream and alternative media (domestic and worldwide), etc.  The scheduling of hundreds of television and radio interviews is handled by a professional media firm, as is the placement of our national newspaper, email, and web advertisements.

We do cover some travel and fuel expenses for line leaders and the leadership team, who all work well beyond the average call of duty. 

We have used donations to purchase thermal imaging cameras, video cameras, third-generation night vision cameras, computer systems at each border watch headquarters operation, even Internet service at each border watch operation, where it is available. 

We help provide water, Gatorade, snacks, large tents and pop-up canopies for outdoor meetings; trailers to haul equipment, office supplies, a national headquarters building, the rent, the utilities, high-speed Internet connectivity at the national headquarters, computer systems at the national headquarters, phone systems at the national headquarters, the cost of printing letters, thousands of dollars in postage for membership mailings, the printing of brochures, the printing of banners used at gun shows, parades and recruiting events.  The rental of tables for gun shows, the rental of venues for meetings around the country—all are covered with the funds we receive from generous donors from around the country.

Our national leadership team does have their travel expenses covered when engaged in official Minuteman Civil Defense Corps business.  My travel expenses are covered by donations, but only when I am traveling for official Minuteman Civil Defense Corps business.  Most of my travel expenses are covered by organizations that request my presence at meetings, conferences and other speaking engagements.  When I am compensated to speak by a hosting organization, not only do I have the opportunity to travel around the country to educate people about the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps mission and the crisis at the border, but I also have the opportunity to recruit volunteers and solicit for donations to MCDC.  Only four of the dozens of trips that I have made in the last year have been paid for out of Minuteman Civil Defense Corps funds.  Those trips were to Washington D.C. to work with cooperative organizations and to talk to Congress—the total cost of those four trips comes to less than $3,000.

Our last two, month long border-watch operations cost around $80,000 each, and each 3-day monthly muster costs us at least $1,000 per state, not including travel expenses.

Each of our satellite chapters around the country has received start up funding and continues to be supported by the national organization.  Each new chapter receives approximately $1,000 in start up capital to cover expenses.  We have a rapidly expanding national organization that needs the support of aggressive national fundraising efforts—it costs money to raise money, but I assure you every penny is accounted for as federal law requires, and is utilized appropriately.

At this time we have a fully accredited, independent auditor undertaking a full accounting of the past years’ income and expenses.  We are completing federally mandated accounting and filing of our financial activity for the past year.  (Those conspiracy theorists out there forget that the #1 oversight committee on groups like ours is the IRS, aka the federal government, who would be the first to shut us down if there were any improprieties involved with our finances.)  We are required to submit our Form 990 filing to the IRS on November 15, 2006.

Once completed, our financial reports will be made available to the public, as required by law, and on the same timetable as all other non-profit organizations.  Those who wish to harm us want MCDC held to some other standard and to have us distracted and discredited in order to break our momentum.  We are staying on task, and they can take their intentions of destroying the greatest citizen movement to save the Republic this country has seen in recent history, and hike it.  I believe we have exposed their lack of credibility, we will continue to build, and I invite those whose falsehoods will be refuted by our results for the common good of America to forever be silenced.

There have also been many questions asked as to how I make a living.  I am not salaried by MCDC—otherwise, it is no one’s business.  I have never felt the need to publicly defend my integrity—above all else: to thine own self be true.

However, in light of the circumstances of malicious attacks, I will, this one last time, reveal personal information to answer the critics.

The hours of toil and sacrifice necessary to run this national organization has taken a toll on my personal life and has led to my shutting down my newspaper—The Tombstone Tumbleweed.  My present source of income has been the honorariums and fees received from organizations who request me for speaking engagements.  I have also received money from selling my life story for a movie that will soon go into production.  Even with those combined sources of income, I have made just enough to keep my head above water.  The remainder of my living expenses is covered by my devoted and dedicated wife, who shares my passion for the MCDC mission.

I do foresee a need come the new year for me to request a modest salary to maintain my role as president of MCDC.  If the board and national directors do not agree then it will be necessary for me to leave the organization and return to teaching—or I may need to go get a job at Wal-Mart or Home Depot!

With regular communication to you the volunteers and supporters of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, I hope to provide information that informs and assures you of the integrity of this healthy and expanding national grassroots organization.  I want to thank you personally for the privilege of working with you in this great and good cause.

With sincere gratitude for your courage and support of this great Republic,
Chris Simcox

President, Minuteman Civil Defense Corps

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[Gelato]

So you agree that Simcox's minutemen group doesn't plan to build a fence, it's all symbolic?

It's both. Of course they plan to build "a fence," within the bounds of their limited resources. And of course it's meant to be symbolic, to pressure the government to act.

Remember, that was their stated purpose in the first place, when Simcox announced the fence idea.

At the beginning, his group stated: "Our plan: Do the job until our government does its duty. Announce the need for the Minuteman Border Fence. Ask again that President Bush do his duty and secure the border. ... Continue to build fence as fast as resources allow."

No one who read that and then donated had the expectation that civilians would now be in charge of border security. The point was to put pressure on President Bush to secure the border.

I wish I could say "mission accomplished," but the President has not yet secured the border. The pressure thus must continue, as far as possible. In the end, it is up to regular folks like you, me, and the Minutemen, to keep the focus on our leaders who are neglecting their duty.

[Amelia]

Perhaps then you can help us interpret the FEC data. Tell us where we are going wrong

He can't. He's been telling me for over 5 years now that I can't interpret it correctly, but he has yet to explain why.

[catholicfreeper]

I wish it so harmless. Go over and check the Minuteman Pac July report that was just released. I suspect the names are pretty much the same as to to donations to Simcox group as to dontaions. If you notice almost 80 percent of those folks are retired. On limited incomes. Now there are reason why those people are targeted. I had a older relative that we had to make sure all her mail was directed to our house because she was sending money to these type of folks she could not afford. That is often who is sending money.
I am not sure if all these people think this is symbolic. Also let me say when I hear that Simcox is using scare tactics and is quoted as saying that there are Chines troops on the border that concerns me. I can hear my Great Aunt now. There are "communist" on the border. Also the fact that much of this is a device for certain people to make money and in effect have a monolpy on conservative media is troublesome. Just saying this isnt all harmless.

[Amelia]

I think he's really on "our side" and wants the facts to come out, but can't reveal them himself.

You notice he's provided no evidence to refute the negative facts, and he's been very diligent at bumping the threads so that more people could see the negative facts.

Also, he keeps asking questions that provoke more digging into the negative.

I think he's just playing "bad cop". :-)

As further evidence for my hypothesis, I'll note that he says he doesn't work for the organization in question.

Neither does he seem to support it.

Although of course we've been able to find any information about the MCDP financials online, there is a PAC and a couple of other related organizations that have listed donors online. I can't find on any of the FEC sites any evidence to suggest that he's ever donated to support these "fine" organizations.

If I'm wrong, I expect links and cites to prove it.

[Lurker]

At this time we have a fully accredited, independent auditor undertaking a full accounting of the past years’ income and expenses. We are completing federally mandated accounting and filing of our financial activity for the past year.

Seems pretty much on the up and up to me. No CPA or Auditor is going to risk the loss of a Professional Certification and prison time for this guy.

. If you notice almost 80 percent of those folks are retired

So that makes them...what...stupid? Incompetent to manage their own money?

Now there are reason why those people are targeted.

Maybe because they believe in the guy? Or are you implying that they're all stupid?

Also the fact that much of this is a device for certain people to make money and in effect have a monolpy (sic) on conservative media is troublesome

I'm sure Rupert Murdoch isn't losing any sleep over this guy.

Just saying this isnt all harmless.

Neither is malicious gossip and bearing false witness.

L

[Anti-Bubba182]

Do you know a Cliff May? He says he was on the Gilchrist campaign as an assistant of yours.

[Amelia]

From the article/letter:

All donations are secured in a federal financial institution—a bank, and may be applied only towards the fence building enterprise. The funds cannot be used in any other way.

Then further down:

All of our financial operations are overseen by professionals including a caging agency, banking institutions, a professional accountant, a professional auditor, a non-profits specialty attorney, etc. All checks, credit card and any other cash donations received go directly into designated bank accounts, overseen by these professionals. Yes, professionals we have hired (that means donations go to pay them for services) to ensure fiduciary integrity of the funds donated to the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. Everyone must realize that by hiring responsible and respected professionals we ensure the integrity of the operation and keep funds separated from the volunteer national leadership directors.

Looks like when/if the financial reports come out, we'll be seeing Maureen Otis, American Caging, and either Bill Constantine or Eldon Alexander again...

I wonder if those foolish enough to question the integrity of the finances of this operation would be willing to open their books, expose everything in their bank accounts or rely on unaccredited individuals to manage their finances?

Hopefully those who are donating are wise enough to question the integrity of any organization they would give money to, and demand openness and accountability from such organizations.

On the other hand, as P.T. Barnum said, "There's a sucker born every minute."

Any organization taking money from the public should be willing to account for those funds.

For those who just ask the question where does the money go—let me take you on just a short journey through a rapidly growing national movement. The following is a list of just a few of the areas where the money goes to good use:

(I thought it could only go towards building the fence?)

How about background checks, ID cards, email blasts like this one—all our operations cost money. We are constantly reaching out to find and educate more of our fellow Americans, which requires funds be expended for postage and fees for direct mailing, press releases that are professionally written, proofed, and distributed to the mainstream and alternative media (domestic and worldwide), etc. The scheduling of hundreds of television and radio interviews is handled by a professional media firm, as is the placement of our national newspaper, email, and web advertisements.

WOO HOO, more money for Response Unlimited and the other direct mailing companies!

I'm so looking forward to seeing the financials in November. It's a shame all those lawyers and accountants can't come up with anything before then.

Maybe they could work on that between now and when the weather cools down?

[onyx]

Really GOOD post, Amelia.
Thanks for the ping.

[Amelia]

ping to #227

[Amelia]

Thanks. I was inspired by another dissection I saw this morning.

I decided maybe dissection was a good thing.

[onyx]

The financial reports are not due out until November 15, well AFTER the election.

[onyx]

Oh yes...lol. I was on that sorry thread last night.

[EternalVigilance]

Wow! What shocking revelations! People raise money! They use lawyers and accountants! They pay them! Incredible!

/s

[onyx]

Where's the promised fence?

I will tell you: it's in the promised land!

[EternalVigilance]

A better question: When will the Bush administration start enforcing our immigration laws?

[Spiff]

Looks like when/if the financial reports come out, we'll be seeing Maureen Otis, American Caging, and either Bill Constantine or Eldon Alexander again...

And? I'm not sure what your point is. I believe these folks are involved with a company which provides direct mail fundraising services. Such companies can provide a package that includes the accounting, caging, mailing, printing, list rental, etc. There is nothing illegal or unethical about direct mail fundraising. The RNC and many conservative organizations do direct mail fundraising and there are only so many national level companies who provide such services and cater to conservative causes, groups, or candidates. I assume that the company being used by MCDP is one such company. And the way such an arrangement works is that such a company creates the mailings containing a fundraising appeal, they usually don't run such mailings past the leader of an organization or a candidate before sending it out but may have it go through a lower level staffer, a valuable list of potential donors (which is what the value of such a company really relies upon) is "rented", the mailings are printed and mailed, a caging company collects and accounts for the donations, anything raised over and above the cost of the printing, mailing, postage, fees, and expensive list rental is placed in an escrow account available to the officers of the organization. The first set of mailings are never intended to do anything more than to break even but to help refine a "house list" of the best donors to target later for the real donations. This is an expensive process and if you don't understand it you'll come up with all kinds of crazy conspiracy-like ideas about why an organization is spending so much on printing, list rental, or such things and why they are "connected" to certain people.

There's no "connection" or conspiracy. A group lie the MCDP locates and contracts with a direct mail service provider and attempts to get the one with the best potential donor lists for their cause or organization. The service does the mailings and the money made above expenses ends up in an escrow account. The leaders of the organization or the candidate likely don't know much about the direct mail company, its officers, its other clients, etc. They may only have picked them because someone recommended them who may have been one of their clients.

WOO HOO, more money for Response Unlimited and the other direct mailing companies!

OK. I guess Response Unlimited is the company they're using. I'm not sure what you're point is. Is there something wrong with Response Unlimited? I did a Google on them and read their website. They advertise that they offer direct mail services and lists for Christian and conservative organizations and candidates. That sounds good to me.

Then there's the Source Watch website who lists their known Clients & Affiliations:

Alan Keyes 2000
Alliance Defense Fund
Christian Action Network
Christian Coalition of America
Christianity Today
Clinton Investigative Commission
Focus on the Family
Gary Bauer for President
George W. Bush for President
Heritage Foundation
Jerry Falwell Ministries
Jesse Helms for Senate
Judicial Watch
National Republican Congressional Committee
National Republican Senatorial Committee
National Rifle Association
National Right to Life
Parents Television Council
Pat Buchanan 2000
Pat Robertson for President
Prison Fellowship Ministries
Republican National Committee
Rudolph W. Giuliani for Senate
Rush Limbaugh
Traditional Values Coalition
Washington Times
World Magazine

The Response Unlimited site shows an even larger list of clientelle right here.

I don't know why you're spending so much time casting unfounded aspersions about a group popular with conservatives and Republicans while there are so many leftist, anti-American groups who are raising funds and even sending some of them to terrorists in Iraq. Maybe your time would be better spent digging into the finances of Code Pink or just about any of the people and groups listed at DiscoverTheNetworks.org - A Guide to the Political Left.

[Spiff]

Further Googling showed me attacks on Response Unlimited for their association with "extreme right-wingers". These sites include the leftist grifting smear artists at the Southern Poverty Law Center and some other leftist sites. I wonder if those who are 1.)ignorant of the direct mail process and b.)intent upon attacking the Minutemen are using those leftist sites and their sources for the smears they're spreading on this conservative forum.

[EternalVigilance]

George W. Bush for President
Heritage Foundation
National Republican Congressional Committee
National Republican Senatorial Committee
National Rifle Association
National Right to Life
Republican National Committee
Rudolph W. Giuliani for Senate
Rush Limbaugh


Too funny...

It's a conspiracy I tell you! *grin*

[Spiff]

Why did things get silent all of a sudden? I mean, Amelia exposed and "dissected" the grand Otis/Constantine/Response Unlimited/Minuteman Project conspiracy and a handful of FROBLs were slapping high fives. Now, for some reason, all that we hear are crickets chirping. Hmmmm....

[EternalVigilance]

Must figure they'll get in trouble if they further attack one of the Bush campaign's and the RNC's fundraisers for no legitimate reason...