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Some residents push for tax plan alternative (Fair Tax Gaining Momentum)
WBDJ ^ | Jue 17, 2006

Posted on 06/20/2006 5:27:23 PM PDT by Man50D

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To: Principled
Any private freepmail can be posted. Unless, of course, the rules are enforced differently for different posters.
If you aren't pleased with the way this site is run, you might try another.
61 posted on 06/21/2006 7:18:38 AM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: Principled
Yes, the fair tax is border adjustable. The income tax is not.

Yep.

We need to push this point.

Right now, the biggest beneficiary's of the income tax are the illegals - because they don't pay any.

With the FAIR TAX, they would be paying through the nose - right from dollar #1...and they won't get the prebate to offset the livable income level. (That would take a giant cut out of their income while putting millions of tax dollars from their pockets into the tax coffers)

Now that's what I call FAIR.

62 posted on 06/21/2006 7:19:30 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (LINCOLN: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time>")
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To: Your Nightmare
If you aren't pleased with the way this site is run, you might try another.

You aren't pleased with the way the site is run? What an admission.

I am pleased. The mods do a great job with adults. It's when immaturatity attacks FR that it becomes more difficult for them. What adult would guess that a group of posters would get together with a stated objective of getting another poster banned?

Time is not on your side.

So, about the illegal economy... and border adjustability, and individual income tax filing, and expat $, and illegal immigrants paying taxes, ....

63 posted on 06/21/2006 7:24:10 AM PDT by Principled
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To: pigdog
Let's move on letting lurkers know about the FairTax and how it will change their lives for the better.

I'd like to discuss the nrst with folks. The trolls, however, prevent that on this thread by moving it to Bloggers (yes, they have control over thread placement via posting obscene pics and abuses).

Beyond that, they harass posters to the extent that nobody wants to post. Of course, I do get questions and comments on FReepmail, but I'd like to be able to put the questions and comments in the forum. Isn't that what the forum is for?

IMO a good response from mods would be to delete inappropriate posts, warn/suspend/etc posters who transgress, and avoid moving the thread in response to abuses.

64 posted on 06/21/2006 7:30:09 AM PDT by Principled
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To: Your Nightmare
Sure - you just "happened" to Google it. Idle fingers are the devil's tools. Oh, and BTW I wasn't "playing" anything and still am not. You're much too transparent - may as well turn off the venom.

At any rate It's good you believe that the FairTax will help bring in much more revenue from the illegal economy. You are one of the taxpayers who's been footing the bill there right now. More and more taxpayers are beginning to realize this, too and it is something that will aid the fight against illegal immigration.

Then too, making sure that the FairTax tax base is equivalent to the present system so that the burdens can be distributed equitably to government (much as they now are) and the revenue gained will be revenue neutral - those studies are very helpful.

That's what all the economic studies on the FairTax website are all about and they make wonderful reading.
65 posted on 06/21/2006 7:30:15 AM PDT by pigdog
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To: maine-iac7
Right now, the biggest beneficiary's of the income tax are the illegals - because they don't pay any.

With the FAIR TAX, they would be paying through the nose - right from dollar #1.

Indeed. As they should IMO.

They get in state tuition (except in Georgia!) like they've paid tax to the state - they get medical care like they've helped support it, they get to use roads/infrastucture like they've paid, etc.

It's time they pay their FAIR share.

66 posted on 06/21/2006 7:35:23 AM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled
If you aren't pleased with the way this site is run, you might try another.
You aren't pleased with the way the site is run? What an admission.
Huh? What makes you think I'm not pleased with the way this site is run? More FairTax logic...


What adult would guess that a group of posters would get together with a stated objective of getting another poster banned?
I wouldn't guess that. Has that happened?
67 posted on 06/21/2006 7:42:43 AM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: Principled
"Isn't that what the forum is for? "

Well, not too many years ago it seemed like that, but now I don't really know. Let's hope so. You made a good point about capital being repatriated back into the US. When taxpayers decide to leave and stay away (AIR the number for a recent year was something like 370,000 taxpayers) it leaves the rest of us with having to pick up a disproportionately large tax load. Only when this capital is repatriated back into the US does it help those of us who remained behind. With the FairTax there will be several Trillion dollars coming back to be invested boosting the economy from that alone.

68 posted on 06/21/2006 7:44:18 AM PDT by pigdog
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To: Action-America; pigdog
You made a good point about capital being repatriated back into the US. When taxpayers decide to leave and stay away (AIR the number for a recent year was something like 370,000 taxpayers)...

AA had some good info WRT expat $.... paging Action-America.

69 posted on 06/21/2006 7:48:10 AM PDT by Principled
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To: Your Nightmare
Ignore him ... he's just kicking and screaming (like Rumplestilskin) and trying to pick a fight. Remember how Rumplestilskin turned out!

Better to make folks aware that the FairTax will bring some truly huge benefits economically to this country ... and that is bound to help most taxpayers. Even some static analysis studies show this and certainly the dynamic analysis papers I've seen.

The effects on the economy are quite beneficial - and may even understate things.
70 posted on 06/21/2006 7:49:05 AM PDT by pigdog
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To: Principled
Yes, he did - and heres's a link to his website The Economy Bomb: Ticking Down Faster.
71 posted on 06/21/2006 7:53:35 AM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog
Ignore him ... he's just kicking and screaming (like Rumplestilskin) and trying to pick a fight.

Now why would he try to pick a fight? Would he be provoking me in an attempt to get me banned???

72 posted on 06/21/2006 7:54:08 AM PDT by Principled
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To: pigdog
Ignore him ... he's just kicking and screaming (like Rumplestilskin) and trying to pick a fight. Remember how Rumplestilskin turned out!
OK, I will. Thanks for the advice.
73 posted on 06/21/2006 7:55:46 AM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: pigdog
...in 2003, the Census Bureau estimated that roughly 370,000 US citizens and permanent residents quietly left the United States permanently.

And as he points out, the vast majority leaving are wealthy. Include in the analysis the millions immigrating illegally-the overwhelming majority of which are poor.

Rich people leaving plus poor people coming....

Doesn't sound good.

The fair tax would reverse this. Wealthy people would come (or at least bring their money) and illegals would be discouraged from coming because they would have to pay taxes (at a higher rate than legal citizens).

74 posted on 06/21/2006 7:59:33 AM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled; pigdog
What is really a large problem in the drain of these people leaving the country lay not in just the number of people but the fact that many represent our most successful. It is a brain drain of entrepeneurs and those the make this country go.

The numbers in percentage against the whole may be small, but of the group that make the economic engine go it is devastating.

75 posted on 06/21/2006 8:07:55 AM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it.)
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To: ancient_geezer; pigdog
What is really a large problem in the drain of these people leaving the country lay not in just the number of people but the fact that many represent our most successful. It is a brain drain of entrepeneurs and those the make this country go.

Good point. So we have bright, capable, wealthy people leaving and average (or worse), poor, unskilled people coming in illegally.

Not such a good formula for success. I wonder how much better off we'd be as a nation to reverse this trend?

76 posted on 06/21/2006 8:15:05 AM PDT by Principled
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To: Your Nightmare
It's especially apt if have a daughter who can spin straw into gold. Even if not it's still a cautionary tale for you (but especially your left leg).

" Perhaps your name is Rumpelstiltskin?"

" The devil has told you that! The devil has told you that!" cried the little man, and in his anger he plunged his right foot so deep into the earth that his whole leg went in, and then in rage he pulled at his left leg so hard with both hands that he tore himself in two. "

Clearly that'd be a no-no. And the really great thing is that the gold the daughter spun isn't taxable under the FairTax since it represents income. Isn't that wonderful?

77 posted on 06/21/2006 8:23:54 AM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog

ROTFL ;O)


78 posted on 06/21/2006 8:26:16 AM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it.)
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To: pigdog
Clearly that'd be a no-no. And the really great thing is that the gold the daughter spun isn't taxable under the FairTax since it represents income. Isn't that wonderful?
Wow! I can spend all that gold and not pay any tax under the FairTax!! It sounds like a fairytale...
79 posted on 06/21/2006 8:31:39 AM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: pigdog
And the really great thing is that the gold the daughter spun isn't taxable under the FairTax since it represents income. Isn't that wonderful?

What if she chooses to leave the gold to an heir?

80 posted on 06/21/2006 8:33:31 AM PDT by Principled
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