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ALERT - Vitamin A is probably simple antidote to bird flu, mainstream literature shows
New AIDS Review ^ | 11/20/2005 | New AIDS Review

Posted on 06/05/2006 6:36:33 AM PDT by CellPhoneSurfer

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To: blam

You are correct, sir. It has been one of the real triumphs for the WHO and the drug companies. However, there they were treating a real deficiency disease.


41 posted on 06/05/2006 3:34:33 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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To: kinoxi
I've been drinking carrot juice for years. Taste's like crap

Try a different type of carrots. (many varieties, taste different from each other) The stuff is delicious

You might try mixing it with some celery juice if you don't like it "straight."

I make a wicked "waterless soup" based on carrot and celery juice and ground turkey. So far everyone who's had it raves about it.

42 posted on 06/05/2006 4:04:28 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: CellPhoneSurfer

Thank you, I had heard there was an over the counter pill that would help, but the person didn't want to say what it was over the air. Now I know.


43 posted on 06/05/2006 4:07:18 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: ladyinred

Yeah, Vitamin A is one of those above-top-secret medical interventions only people who work at Area 51 and gays knew about. Definitely can't talk about it on unencrypted radio programs.


44 posted on 06/05/2006 6:35:37 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: BearWash

I'm not saying vitamin A couldn't help, freely available in excellent foods.

But the 95%curcuminoids/turmeric is actually lab tested, people tested, and there have been peer reviewed studies that it is a potent anti-inflammatory comparable to both prednisone and NSAIDS. My primary care doc has approved of me taking it to help my RA. Furthermore, it's a FOOD, well tolerated, except if you are on blood thinners OR if you have gall stones. Shouldn't be taken on an empty stomach.

As you well know, it is also useful against TNF-a cytokine reactions. And it comes in a convenient capsule form. And it's cheap, and available without a prescription.

So...while vitamin A will be useful, needed amounts can be taken in a One A Day vitamin, if fresh food is not available, and the nasty side effects of overdose won't happen.


45 posted on 06/05/2006 8:02:39 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: CellPhoneSurfer

This is bogus. The 1918 flu wouldn't have been as severe in the hardy and hale had this been true. The cytokine storm that is triggered won't be stopped by a multi vitamin a day. My kids have taken multi-vitamins all their lives but one almost died when the norovirus triggered the same reaction.


46 posted on 06/05/2006 8:07:33 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Judith Anne
I am notorious for having a "paper-thin" stomach, one that it seems plain, clean tap water will upset sometimes.

I took a curcumin capsule one day just to see how bad the damage would be. I didn't want to find out it would be a "nucular" bomb going off in my stomach later on when I was already coming down with the flu.

Much to my amazement, nothing bad happened. Not even a twinge. That WAS with a full stomach. This one DOES have the pepperine added, BTW. Noticed that my Hoodia extract capsules also have pepperine (and it does seem to work for appetite control -- my calories eaten have gone down by at least a third and last summer's shorts fit again.)
47 posted on 06/05/2006 8:23:02 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: BearWash

They don't bother me either, full OR empty stomach. I notice a difference in RA symptoms if I don't take them, though...


48 posted on 06/05/2006 8:28:45 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Domestic Church

Well, a vitamin A deficiency wouldn't be a good thing, but few in the US are, to the best of my knowledge.


49 posted on 06/05/2006 8:31:11 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: BearWash
Seems to be spelled piperine or pepperine in various places, but in any event enhances absorption of the substance it accompanies.
50 posted on 06/05/2006 8:34:42 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: BearWash
From Wikipedia:

Notably, piperine may enhance bioavailability of curcumin by 2000%

51 posted on 06/05/2006 8:36:04 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: CellPhoneSurfer
"AA significantly blocks the effects of TNF-alpha on Endothelial Cell proliferation and apoposis, namely by inhibiting TNF-alpha-induced p53 expression

Very interesting. I wonder how it works on rheumatoid arthritis. All the new RA drugs work by blocking TNF-alpha.

52 posted on 06/05/2006 8:44:39 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: CobaltBlue

The newer drugs cost thousands per year.

Curcumin is, like 10 bucks a month, or whatever.

The newer drugs will leave you vulnerable to TB and other severe, potentially fatal infections.

Curcumin doesn't.

;-D


53 posted on 06/05/2006 9:43:27 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Brilliant
Vitamin C is good for lots of things. I'm a believer and advocate.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-20,GGLD:en&q=Vitamin+C%2C+pain

54 posted on 06/06/2006 5:32:55 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: CobaltBlue

I once had RA. Cured it with Vit C, Pantothenic Acid and Vit E. My sister's RA was extreme with liver damage from prescription drugs. She went on a leaky-gut diet and with nutritional supplements has turned her health around. No more drugs.


55 posted on 06/06/2006 5:45:38 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: ahayes

"Big assumptions. I agree with Pharmboy. TNF-a is a major drug target for various reasons, and retinoic acid has some benefits but it isn't a magic bullet. Go ahead and take it if you like, but don't pass up on the Tamiflu if they're passing out pills."

So you doubt that these studies indicate the benefits of Vitamin A, but you suggest to go ahead and take Tamiflu even though it has been shown to have NO effect on prolonging lives of people with Avian flu?

And you're talking about someone else making "Big assumptions"?


56 posted on 06/06/2006 7:52:50 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: kinoxi

"if an outbreak were to occur i'd rather have antivirals myself"

Tamiflu has been shown to have no effect on avian flu.


57 posted on 06/06/2006 8:04:32 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: kinoxi

"I've read advertisements for health products before that sounded just like this article. "

Agreed. But there is a lot of research to back up the initial claim, so this make a better case. But they haven't tested this treatment on humans yet.


58 posted on 06/06/2006 8:06:39 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: CellPhoneSurfer
This thread should be interesting...

Really. Well, if people want to take advice on flu prevention from a web site dedicated to the proposition that HIV does not cause AIDS, I say, go right ahead. Darwin can always use a little help.

59 posted on 06/06/2006 8:07:17 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor (...and I'll have the roast duck with mango salsa.)
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To: webstersII

When they do I will watch.


60 posted on 06/06/2006 8:11:32 AM PDT by kinoxi
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