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The Irrelevant Voters
Sierra Times ^ | May 18, 2006 | John Bender

Posted on 05/18/2006 3:59:06 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy

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The Republicans have so-called conservatives who would vote for Arlen Specter rather than Thomas Jefferson, because Specter is a Republican and Jefferson was a Democrat.

Over half of the Republican Party could be termed so-called conservatives.

90% of Democrats are true socialists.

Where can one turn?

1 posted on 05/18/2006 3:59:08 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy
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To: FerdieMurphy

I have a strong suspicion that Kennedy and Pelosi would be aghast if Thomas Jefferson showed up and ran as a Democrat.

First off, he's not their kind of Democrat/Socialist.


2 posted on 05/18/2006 4:01:42 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: FerdieMurphy
btt for later read



3 posted on 05/18/2006 4:02:10 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: coconutt2000
Party labels have become irrelevant. There is the Washington elites and the rest of us. And we just don't count any more.



4 posted on 05/18/2006 4:04:12 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: FerdieMurphy

As conservatives wake up to the fact that George Bush is not a conservative and as conservatives become more and more disgusted with the Republican party governing like Democrats, the party is cranking up its spin machine to scare conservatives enough to keep them voting the party line in November.

That's a two-way street, Mr. Bender. You're saying how the GOP will attempt to "scare" conservatives into voting for the GOP. The other lane has the propensity of yelling how "true conservatives" (whatever those are) will either sit home or vote 3rd party.

So for both sides, we've all heard these exact same things before.

5 posted on 05/18/2006 4:06:34 AM PDT by rdb3 (Honey, you keep that up and it's whatever you want it to be. --Family Guy)
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To: FerdieMurphy
As conservatives wake up to the fact that George Bush is not a conservative and as conservatives become more and more disgusted with the Republican party governing like Democrats, the party is cranking up its spin machine to scare conservatives enough to keep them voting the party line in November.

FOX & friends had on a little while one of its fair and balanced segments with a Dem and Pubbie talking head. The Pubbie spokesperson, a Ms. Jacobus, sounded like a freaking Dem. And she seemed to be quite put out with conservatives who are ticked off about the attempt to keep 43 and the RINOs in the Senate from getting what they want. We need to back off our anger, don'cha know. Like whatever could we possibly have to be angry about?

With Pubbies like these, who needs Dems?

Where can one turn?

If the powers that be in the GOP, whom Ms Jacobus was representing, have bailed on conservatism, we need a third party.

6 posted on 05/18/2006 4:07:31 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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Where can one turn?

To candidates that actually hold the 'silly' notion that limited government and market based reforms are principles to adhere to. You do this by turning out in the primaries, by the way.

7 posted on 05/18/2006 4:07:48 AM PDT by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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BINGO!!!The primaries is where your party's character will come from.


8 posted on 05/18/2006 4:10:00 AM PDT by mo
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To: FerdieMurphy
Revisionist history. Conservatives always knew Bush wasn't conservative. Bush never PRETENDED to be conservative. Conservatives supported him in the vain hope that he was running left but would rule right.

As conservatives wake up to the fact that George Bush is not a conservative

9 posted on 05/18/2006 4:10:59 AM PDT by DManA
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You do this by turning out in the primaries, by the way.

That's very true.

But you have to be offered a conservative to vote for.

And if Ms. Jacobus is any indication, I'm not too sure the GOP's party bosses are going to lay out the welocme mat for conservative candidates.

10 posted on 05/18/2006 4:11:56 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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" And she seemed to be quite put out with conservatives who are ticked off about the attempt to keep 43 and the RINOs in the Senate from getting what they want."

The foot-stomping and I'll just take my ball and go home attitude of the gop and its cheerleaders is wearing pretty thin.

Those coservatives "put-out" with the current status quo have been treated like red headed step children. Asking for physical responsibility and execution of constitutional duty, not to mention preservation of the culture, seems to be too much to ask.

It's a strange time in this country.

11 posted on 05/18/2006 4:12:36 AM PDT by Kakaze (American: a Citizen of the United States of America........not just some resident of said continent)
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To: FerdieMurphy

If you don’t want to be irrelevant in the political scheme of things, don’t be part of the 30%. Let the politicians know that while you may not vote Democrat, you will vote third party or stay at home if they don’t act and vote right. Then follow through. Don’t let them scare you with that lesser of two evils crap. Make them earn your vote and you become relevant.

Indeed.


12 posted on 05/18/2006 4:12:46 AM PDT by WhiteGuy ("Every Generation needs a new revolution" - Jefferson)
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To: FerdieMurphy
The truth is, there is about 30% of the voting public in each camp who vote for the party no matter what.

Polls suggest this had dropped to more like 10% on the Republican side.

13 posted on 05/18/2006 4:14:28 AM PDT by DManA
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" Conservatives always knew Bush wasn't conservative. Bush never PRETENDED to be conservative. Conservatives supported him in the vain hope that he was running left but would rule right."

On that note your right, I had my reservations in 2000, but Dubya vs gore was a no brainer.

Then 9/11 hit and I hadn't been prouder of a president in my life. It as the fact that he was so very good after 9/11 that I deluded myself into thinking he'd change his views on the border and close them as part of the WoT.

I was obviously wrong there, but again the choice I had even if 9/11 hadn't happened would have resulted in my pulling the lever for Dubya.....I mean after all Dubya vs kerry, no contest.

14 posted on 05/18/2006 4:17:05 AM PDT by Kakaze (American: a Citizen of the United States of America........not just some resident of said continent)
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To: Kakaze

I have yet to see one Pubbie party representative interviewed who does NOT toe the RINO line. Conservatives are being left out in the cold, and our concerns are being treated with contempt. Not just by some of the pols, but by the party apparatchiks as well.


15 posted on 05/18/2006 4:21:07 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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so, John bender is witty by saying Bushiban.


16 posted on 05/18/2006 4:26:27 AM PDT by Kewlhand`tek (Those that can't , Teach. Those that can't teach , Report)
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To: FerdieMurphy

This included a record 16% of the black vote in Ohio, just about all of which came from the black churches because of issues like abortion, gay marriage, etc.

Throw in the illegal card and the Black vote might swing wildly.


17 posted on 05/18/2006 4:31:02 AM PDT by wolfcreek
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"...I'm not too sure the GOP's party bosses are going to lay out the welocme mat for conservative candidates."

Too true!

During the campaign leading up to our last primary here in Ohio. The state GOP was completely unwilling to back Ken Blackwell. They were in favor of Jim Petro who was certainly no good. You should have seen the campaign he was running. It was maddening! But Blackwell won that primary. So no matter how discouraged I am about the overall situation, I can point to that one little victory as proof that there is at least a little hope. (And it seems that Lynn Swann will have the nomination in PA, which I hear is a good thing.)


18 posted on 05/18/2006 4:31:48 AM PDT by fromscratchmom
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To: Kakaze
Oopps

"Asking for physical responsibility and execution of constitutional duty, not to mention preservation of the culture, seems to be too much to ask".

Should read: Asking for "fiscal" responsibility and execution of constitutional duties, not to mention preservation of the culture, seems to be too much to ask.

Should never type before the coffee kicks in:)

19 posted on 05/18/2006 4:31:59 AM PDT by Kakaze (American: a Citizen of the United States of America........not just some resident of said continent)
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To: FerdieMurphy

The problem with the article is that if you vote in a conservative Democrat, you are also casting a 'vote' for Pelosi to be Majority Leader. The conservative Democrat won't further the conservative agenda; just by being in the 'D' column gives more power to the liberal leaders.

Same is true with liberal Republicans; although Olympia Snowe and Arlen Sphincter do not further our agenda, they do count towards the totals needed to keep people like Bill Frist as the leaders who set the agenda. When the Repubs are in charge of setting the agenda, we can then work on securing the votes of the more conservative Dems to balance out the liberal RINOs.


20 posted on 05/18/2006 4:32:12 AM PDT by Diggler
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