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The shaky foundations of the “new Cold War”
Johnson's Russia List ^ | Mon, 8 May 2006 | Vlad Sobell

Posted on 05/16/2006 11:57:27 PM PDT by vertolet

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1 posted on 05/16/2006 11:57:32 PM PDT by vertolet
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To: vertolet

Let's see what we can find out about the Center for Defense Information and the World Security Institute (the site that you posted that from). So far, the content on the site looks anti-American.


2 posted on 05/17/2006 1:50:39 AM PDT by familyop ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: vertolet; Tailgunner Joe; Admin Moderator
The post above is from the CDI site and is another gradualist propaganda argument in favor of resuming Russian expansionism. The CDI site is anti-conservative, anti-defense and anti-American. Here's some of the evidence.

http://www.cdi.org/aboutcdi/adms.html
"John J. Shanahan, Vice Admiral USN (Ret.) Jack Shanahan..."
"He now serves as the Director of the Center for Defense Information."

http://www.counterpunch.org/shanahan01032004.html
CounterPunch "Jack Shanahan, Vice Admiral, U.S. Navy (Ret.), is a member of Business Leaders for Sensible Priorities. He can be reached at: shanahan@counterpunch.org"

More information on Shanahan here
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/831999/posts?page=27#27
"Vice Admiral Jack Shanahan (USN, ret.) / TrueMajority.org"

http://www.envirosagainstwar.org/know/read.php?itemid=2477

"The American people, through their Congressional representatives should tell the Bush administration that the Iraq Quagmire threatens an endless and potentially destabilizing drain on both Iraq and the US. There should be no more bilions appropriated for this misadventure without a clear plan for a timely exit."

You can get more information on Shanahan's anti-defense, anti-conservative work by entering the following keywords in a search engine:

"vice admiral" shanahan

Scan three or four pages of hits, and that should do it.
3 posted on 05/17/2006 3:19:58 AM PDT by familyop ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: vertolet; Admin Moderator

This belongs in Blogs or such - this is not a reputable news source and its false.

Ukraine is experiencing STRONG growth- especially in non-traditional ones like the hospitality industry which is targeting western markets and not the old Russian ones.

http://www.kyivpost.com/business/industglance/24429/


4 posted on 05/17/2006 5:03:12 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: vertolet; Romanov; GarySpFc

"Ukraine is the central battleground "

Indeed it is because without the "Breadbasket of Europe" and Russia's periodic plundering of its wealth and people, the Kremlin would have gone bankrupt far before Reagan.

What they plundered in 1933 exceeds a Trillion $ - nevermind the Genocide of 100 million.


5 posted on 05/17/2006 5:08:45 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: vertolet

What part of "The Russians killed 100 million in the last century" do you not understand?

The Kremlin has been the agent of death in Many Genocides - from Cuba to Europe to Laos.


6 posted on 05/17/2006 5:11:20 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: vertolet

We Need a Nuremburg Trial in the Kremlin - that will put a final end to this Sympathetic Foolishness.


7 posted on 05/17/2006 5:12:28 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: Romanov; x5452
You are the biggest liar on Free Republic. It was the Soviets who killed millions, and that was mainly lead by Ukrainians.
8 posted on 05/17/2006 5:23:52 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: spanalot

You mean what Trotsky, Vlas Chubar, and Kruzhchev amoung other Ukrainian leaders in the Soviet Union plundered?


9 posted on 05/17/2006 7:14:53 AM PDT by x5452
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To: spanalot

Don't forget Brezhnev either.

Why do you refuse to acknowledge you're great Ukrainian brothers?


10 posted on 05/17/2006 7:22:32 AM PDT by x5452
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To: spanalot

"Indeed it is because without the "Breadbasket of Europe" and Russia's periodic plundering of its wealth and people, the Kremlin would have gone bankrupt far before Reagan."

Are you really that ignorant of history, or do you have no problem with just making up statistics and "spano-facts"?

You're inferences about the Ukraine keeping the Soviet Union afloat until Pres. Reagan defeated them is incorrect. The Soviet Union WAS IMPORTING FOODSTUFFS TO INCLUDE WHEAT, read again WHEAT, that should have been plentiful in Ukraine and Southern Russia, BUT, because of Soviet policies the crop totals were low and when they did have a harvest a lot of the crops spoiled because the unbuilt and unkempt infrastructure prevented the produce and crops from getting to market.

Bottom line - Ukraine's farmlands, because of Soviet policy (that a lot of Ukrainians had a hand in making) were useless and weren't keeping the "Soviet economy" afloat.

Why do you even call yourself an American if you can only cheerlead for Ukrainian nationalism, even if it means rooting for people who opposed the US? If your Ukraine is so amazing why don't you go live there? I'm sure the Ukrainian nationalists will allow you to join them in Lvov, oops, I mean, Lviv.


11 posted on 05/17/2006 7:30:41 AM PDT by Romanov
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To: spanalot

How long have you been a worshiper of Nestor Makhno?


12 posted on 05/17/2006 7:32:52 AM PDT by Romanov
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To: vertolet

Ukraine is not going anywhere with the west? - Just yesterday I read something like this in the news: http://www.podrobnosti.ua/economy/2006/05/16/313068.html (in Russian) - since 2003 trade between EU and Ukraine increased by 60%. This makes EU the largest trade partner.


13 posted on 05/17/2006 10:41:11 AM PDT by Mazepa
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To: GarySpFc
Not this BS again. Tables of politburo leaders: http://old.iea.ras.ru/Russian/personnel/Tishkov/Book1/chapter2_3.html (in Russian)

Out of the total 193 members, 123 were Russian, or 64%, while Russian share of the USSR population hovers around 50%. There were 17 Ukrainian politburo members, or 9% while the share of Ukrainians is around 15% of the USSR population.

It was even worse in the early years- in the period 1920 to 1950, out of the 100 members ONLY 6 were Ukrainian. (65 Russians)

Gary, take your words back

14 posted on 05/17/2006 11:20:31 AM PDT by Mazepa
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To: lizol; Lukasz; strategofr; GSlob; spanalot; Thunder90; Tailgunner Joe; propertius; REactor; ...

Ping


15 posted on 05/17/2006 1:34:41 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: spanalot
Agreed. Also put Gorbachev and Yeltsin on trial for crimes against the Russian people, and all of the other Soviet dictators posthumously.
16 posted on 05/17/2006 1:36:26 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: GarySpFc
You are the biggest liar on Free Republic

Who? Romanov or x5452???

17 posted on 05/18/2006 2:35:28 PM PDT by Lukasz
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To: Mazepa
Gary, take your words back

We both know that this is not going to happen, aren’t ewe? :)

18 posted on 05/18/2006 2:38:15 PM PDT by Lukasz
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To: Romanov; x5452; GarySpFc
According to this Russian source below, 0,3% as many were Polish members in the Communist Party of USSR. While Russians about ONLY 58,64%. Where is your propaganda now? According to these stats Soviet Union was run by RUSSIANS wherever you like it or not.

http://old.iea.ras.ru/Russian/personnel/Tishkov/Book1/chapter2_3.html

19 posted on 05/18/2006 3:01:58 PM PDT by Lukasz
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To: Lukasz

Nice try Lukasz, I guess next you'll be telling us the Polish Communist Party was made up of only Russians too.

Interesting statistics, nonetheless, especially as they go far to prove my point that all ethnicities were involved in the Communist crimes. That there were small numbers of Polish members in the RUSSIAN communist party is not suprising.

So, how about those Polish communist party numbers? I'm sure you still have your partynyj bilet - what number were you?


20 posted on 05/18/2006 3:31:50 PM PDT by Romanov
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