[MNJohnnie]

Curious thing. There is no underlying scholarship for any of this "Data" being presented. Advocacy groups create studies that "prove" their opinions on both sides. Both sides cannot be right. So who is correct?

They both claim their facts are "Similar too" or "based on" Census Bureau or other Govt statistics. Umm no one can say for sure how many illegals there are. There is no intellectually honest way to make "Economic" judgments when you do not even know the size of the population must less what they actually contribute or cost. Both sides are advocates for a position, not seeking a real answer.

Curious thing for all those who simply want to scream down anyone who doesn't march in lock step with their dogma. Look around here. Free Republic is incredibly quite today. Lots of lukers and long time Freepers are simply throwing their hands up and saying "the heck with all the Illegals in the streets and the screams on the Web, I'm completely alienated by all this." You need their votes if you want anything done.

This debate is being so polarized that pretty soon NOTHING will be done because it will be the politically easy thing to do. DOING nothing, in cased you all missed it, means THEY win.

We have this problem because we have done nothing and we will continue to DO nothing. And 5 years from now we will not be arguing 11-16 million Illegals, we will be arguing 20-30 million, with all those anchor babies from the 1st wave starting to reach voting age! That is the reality of living in a Democratic Republic. One side does not get to dictate policy to the other. Neither side has the votes. No one is going to be perfectly happy with what solution comes out. Demanding 100% of what you what and ZERO of what you don't want means you will get 100% of nothing.

[Robertsll]

The solution is not "compromise". The solution is to solve the problem.

Tell your boss (GWB) that. ;)

[ARealMothersSonForever]

That is the reality of living in a Democratic Republic. One side does not get to dictate policy to the other. Neither side has the votes. No one is going to be perfectly happy with what solution comes out. Demanding 100% of what you what and ZERO of what you don't want means you will get 100% of nothing.

I totally agree. I think ALL conservatives can agree on increased border security. And NO amnesty, meaning granting "line-jumper" benefits of any kind. Everything else is details and semantics.

[brytlea]

I suppose you're what they call a moderate? :)
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[Tymesup]

In your post 7, you asked:

"So just strictly on ECONOMICS, not who is right or who is wrong, where do we get the replacement workers to fill the Illegals jobs after they are deported?"

In my post 42, I suggested several possible answers to your question:

"Maybe we'll find that some of these jobs aren't needed. Maybe we'll find that the shortage of workers will create the incentive to find a better way to do some things. Maybe we'll find that increasing the number of legal immigrants is a good idea. Maybe the birth rate will increase because of the better opportunities available."

In post 77, you imply that I am advocating a position based on "data". I have done no such thing.

Your original post suggests that deportation of illegals will cause a problem. My response is that it might not. My response furthers the author's idea that supply and demand will operate and no catastrophe will occur.

[eazdzit]

You posted"Curious thing. There is no underlying scholarship for any of this "Data" being presented. Advocacy groups create studies that "prove" their opinions on both sides. Both sides cannot be right. So who is correct? "

Bush claimed '6 million had been deported since he took office'.

That is GROSS EXAGERATION" according to USA Today,based on numbers provided by ICE(Immigration and Customs Enforcement).

Why doesn't some one tell him the truth? He doesn't have a clue.

Go read the article you will see what I mean.

:)Easy Does It:)