[MNJohnnie]

With 5% unemployment as the Economic standard for "full employment" and the US Unemployment rate at 4.7% where do the replacement workers for the Illegals come from? Remember, that 5% includes the unemployable (handicaps, elderly and infirm) as well as the marginally employable (personality defects, drug abusers, the lazy, the criminal etc).

So just strictly on ECONOMICS, not who is right or who is wrong, where do we get the replacement workers to fill the Illegals jobs after they are deported?

[digger48]

Don't you know silly? All of those good hard-working Americans who just gave up looking for work in this depressed Bush economy are just waiting to bust out of the gates to go to work under a Democrat Administration.

This is the worst Economy since Herbert Hoover, dammit! Didn't you listen to a thing John Kerry said last year?

[Robertsll]

Many people in the 20s and 30s don't file for unemployment. If they are looking for a job, they check the classifieds, they don't walk into an unemployment office.

[Fraxinus]

Remember, that 5% includes the unemployable (handicaps, elderly and infirm) as well as the marginally employable (personality defects, drug abusers, the lazy, the criminal etc).I believe that that number does not include several of the groups you include. If you have not held a job in the last year you are not included in the statistics as unemployed (one reason why US unemployment stats are lower than Europe, we stop counting people as unemployed sooner). To a large extent the jobs will simply be eliminated (why hire 40 men to pick lettuce when you can buy a machine that with a single operator can pick just as much lettuce?) This mechanization was severely retarded in the southwest because of the large supply of illegal aliens.

[CowboyJay]

"Remember, that 5% includes the unemployable (handicaps, elderly and infirm) as well as the marginally employable (personality defects, drug abusers, the lazy, the criminal etc)."

According to the BLS, that 5% does not inclued handicaps and infirm, those incarcerated, nor does it include those voluntarily unemployed (housewives, retirees, et c.,. Explanations of the various measures of unemployment can be found at the BLS website.

The actual number of adults over the age of 16 not currently employed in America is 81.1 million (that number does include the infirm, the incarcerated, skid-row junkies, the disabled, home-makers, retirees).

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1612657/posts

[Tymesup]

"So just strictly on ECONOMICS, not who is right or who is wrong, where do we get the replacement workers to fill the Illegals jobs after they are deported?"

Maybe we'll find that some of these jobs aren't needed. Maybe we'll find that the shortage of workers will create the incentive to find a better way to do some things. Maybe we'll find that increasing the number of legal immigrants is a good idea. Maybe the birth rate will increase because of the better opportunities available.

[Ursus arctos horribilis]

It is called "LEGAL" immigration, versus, "ILLEGAL" immigration, what part of "ILLEGAL" do you not understand?

Illegal immigration is a set aside and affirmative action for illegal Mexicans to flood our country. There are millions upon millions of Europeans, Blacks and Asians who would come here legally, but they have no say in the matter, they will be punished because of the illegal Mexican border jumpers getting preference.

Why, because illegal Mexicans are in your face and the Quislings in our government are selling out America hoping for a Hispanic block vote payoff down the road.

[brytlea]

Well, not everyone who is willing to work is counted in unemployment stats, for one reason or another. For instance, I have been unemployed for 2 years. I'm not forced to work, but I'm willing if the right job came up. I'm not lazy or insane or on drugs, handicapped or elderly and yet, I'm not part of the 4.7% you see.
I think, btw, those numbers are people who are getting unemployment. I'm not positive about that, but I think that's the case. If so, there are probably more than 4.7% out there who could fill jobs if the money was right and the job was open.
And in fact, I'm not sure what that number means, 4.7%. 4.7% of what? The total number of people who could work? How do they figure THAT?

susie

[Vor Lady]

where do we get the replacement workers to fill the Illegals jobs after they are deported?

How about my teen agers? Because of federal laws neither my 14 year old son or my 15 year old daughter can work more than 18 hours PER WEEK! That is ridiculous! I worked after school and full time on weekends from the time I was 13 and it did me good. My kids want to work, but they can't; the workers are here, we just need to repeal some of the silly labor laws.

[gogeo]

PARLIER – For the past century, raisins in California's Central Valley have been harvested in exactly the same way: a monthlong frenzy of hand picking that required more workers than almost any other crop. Last season, many raisin growers turned to machines to do the work. Although they had long held out, they are now joining growers nationwide in embracing mechanization to fend off global competition.

But the switch to mechanical harvesting is taking a heavy toll on the Mexican migrants who fill most of the state's lowest-paying farm jobs. With machines picking more crops, the need for field hands is falling sharply. Where 50 men once were needed to harvest a field of raisins, five now suffice.

http://www.migrantweb.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=177

[gogeo]

Same article:

"We're transferring rural poverty from Mexico to rural California," Martin of UC Davis said, "and we don't have a game plan to get out of it." The mechanization of the raisin harvest threatens to make the situation even worse.

State officials believe two or three migrants are currently competing for each of California's 400,000 to 500,000 seasonal farm jobs. If machines pick the raisins, agricultural experts say, labor demand will drop to a tenth of the 40,000 to 50,000 workers typically hired today.

[rebel_yell2]

The ignorance in this post is deplorable. The "unemployment rate" refers to the "labor force" of about 151M, those "employed" or "unemployed". There are 77M "not in the labor force" but who potentially could come back into the labor force. Perhaps some of those 77M would be willing to come back into the labor force to replace displaced illegals? Maybe or maybe not. This is strictly about facts, not arguments. Let's keep our facts straight. For the real statistics, see http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

[taxed2death]

"With 5% unemployment as the Economic standard for "full employment" and the US Unemployment rate at 4.7% "


More BS?


Once people receive their last employment check from the government, they're effectively wiped off the "unemployed" list.

Nice try though.....never let the facts get in the way of a good rant.....

[Kenny Bunk]

Last time I was farming, state employment bureaus had no trouble filling up bus loads of workers in what today we might call "urban" areas for fairly high-paid "seasonal" work. Guess what? Many were students.

Cut off direct and indirectsubsidies to our drug-crazed and largely shiftless young urban male miscreants and see how many may shape up. Unemployment rates have never taken into account the underclass that won't work.