My point is that toe dancing on the subject of the motives of the Sovet Union re: isolated vigenttes fails to see the forest for the trees - that the Kremlin is the agent of Genocide for 100 million in the last century.
The first major episode of Genocide was in Ukraine and it is something Russia and their Usefull Idiots still deny.
This includes the NYTimes which was an agent of the cover up (and still is) as well as leftists in general.
BUT, it appears that you two seem to think otherwise.
There will be recognition when they start putting it into public school curriculums and there will be recognition when we get Nuremburg trials to put some of these communist scum in prison and extract reparations from those that benefited.
Have I made myself extremely clear?
You must be pretty skinny with all the exercise you get jumping to conclusions. You have no idea what I think on this subject. I haven't formed an opinion yet.
I would like to see some civil discussion so that I could be enlightened.
Stick to the subject matter and stay away from the personal attacks, if you want to be heard.
:)Easy Does It:)
The first major episode of Genocide was in Ukraine and it is something Russia and their Usefull Idiots still deny. This includes the NYTimes which was an agent of the cover up (and still is) as well as leftists in general.
Any literate person knows that the NY Times covered (and did not "cover up") Soviet genocide in general, and the Ukrainian episode in particular. For example, see the following NY Times articles.
One point about historical scholarship and reporting: initially there can be relatively few reports about some horrific matter simply because there are no credible eye-witness reports OR because whatever reports exist cannot be verified or they contain lots of contradictory information. On other occasions, release of credible data may compromise the identity of confidential sources and, therefore, put them and/or their families in physical jeopardy. So anyone can make sweeping derogatory generalizations about a time-line when "no reports" or false reports are published---but that often can easily be explained by circumstances -- not malignant motivation.
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ASSEMBLY WILL ACT ON GENOCIDE STUDY: Ukraine, Soviet Union Object to Inclusion on Agenda--Also Oppose Translating Classics, Nov 6, 1946, p19
UKRAINE GROUPS URGE U.N. CHECK ON SOVIET Nov 19, 1947. p. 18
GENOCIDE SURVEY URGED: Ukrainian Group Here Asks U.N. to Make Inquiry in Europe Nov 23, 1947, p21
BERLE SAYS REDS PRACTICE GENOCIDE: Charges Racial Extermination Exists Today in Ukraine and Baltic States Mar 9, 1949, p4
WEST, EAST FLING CHARGES ON LABOR: Briton in U. N. Cites Exodus of 10,000,000 Refugees From Soviet-Ruled Areas By SAM POPE BREWER, Oct 16, 1949, p26
To Outlaw Genocide: Adoption of Convention Is Urged in Citing Soviet Actions (Oct 24, 1949. p. 22
UKRAINE GENOCIDE BY SOVIET ALLEGED: Kremlin Seeks to End Hope of Resistance, Exile Says Here --U.N. Is Urged to Act New York Times Nov 11, 1951. p. 29
UKRAINIANS PRESSING DRIVE FOR FREEDOM Jul 5, 1952, p2
ACTION URGED ON GENOCIDE Jul 16, 52, page 24
IN ADDITION: the NY Times published lengthy favorable book reviews which discussed Soviet genocide in general and Ukrainian genocide in particular. For example:
Book Review: THE HARVEST OF SORROW By Craig R. Whitney. New York, N.Y.: Oct 26, 1986, p442
Book Review: THE GREAT TERROR A Reassessment. By Robert Conquest. 570 pp. New York: Oxford University Press. $24.95. By Norman Davies. New York Times: May 13, 1990. p. BR20