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The Manufacturing Factor: A History of America's Economic Ascension
www.economyincrisis ^ | Sunday, March 19, 2006 | na

Posted on 03/19/2006 5:54:24 AM PST by B4Ranch

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1 posted on 03/19/2006 5:54:26 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch

I've posted this response before and now post it again:

What is being missed in all of this is the fact that we have lost our industrial base and are now dependent on foreign manufacturers and business for a huge majority of all materials we use in our daily life.

What's worse, our DEFENSE SYSTEM utilizes military parts and equipment purchased "sole source" from many foreign points.

Now the point: When WWII started, due to our huge and powerful manufacturing base, we were able to IMMEDIATELY shift our private manufacturing facilities into manufacturers of military equipment and machinery. Our military power and strength arose from our industrial base. That's how we won the war.

Now, for all practical purposes, we don't have a strong industrial manufacturing base. Crucial parts used in almost everything military come from other countries, foreign designers or inventors. Some of these, who in the future, may become our enemy and actually attack us. Some may be put out of business by the takeover of their own industries by invasion, or political change, and cease sales and support of those products and services we did not originate from our own shores.

THEN, when and how are we to mobilize our industry as in WWII? The answer is simple...WE CAN'T! We don't have it any more!


2 posted on 03/19/2006 6:12:28 AM PST by DH (The government writes no bill that does not line the pockets of special interests.)
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To: DH
I don't suppose there is any room for facts here. Anyone who begins with the premise that things should stay the way they were in 1800 is not my kind of historian. We still have a huge manufacturing sector and are the largest exporter in the world. We are the richest society on the planet by a factor of two, and authors like this want more.

Our prosperity was developed by having huge internal market which the constitution protected from internal tarrifs. It does not have to be manufacturing. If you want to be even richer, foreign trade (similarily stripped of artificial barriers) is the growth opportunity, but it will only flourish if other people have some money. Mercantilist trade policies which insisted on positive balances resulted in 80% of the wealth concentrated in the West.

The rest of the world wants some prosperity. Your choice is to have them as trading partners or see them move in next door to you.

3 posted on 03/19/2006 6:41:25 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: DH

I've read your post before. Agreed with it then and agree with it now.


4 posted on 03/19/2006 7:00:36 AM PST by B4Ranch (The truth is good for you, like sunlight, but too much all at once can really hurt.)
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To: ClaireSolt; B4Ranch
I don't suppose there is any room for facts here.

How about these facts?

  1. In 1975, we saw our last trade surplus.
  2. Our trade deficit was $725 billion in 2005.
  3. American acquires 19% of the world's exports.
  4. in 2004, Japan and China, which still currently hold between $1 and $2 trillion US, started to sell their American dollars and are no longer buying our bonds.
The advantages that we had mid-20th century are being depleted.

Clearly we are coasting on the gains made during WWII and before. Any economic security we had gained with our manufacturing and technological competitiveness are being bargained away. We used to employ people here to make things that we or the rest of the world consumed. That was at our zenith. Now we may be feeling fine as we stroll into Walmart, but the good feelings won't last.

Debt, foreign-dependence, manufacturing impotence, and inability to provide secure jobs to technology and other skilled workers are all consequences of these changes. Yet there are many libertarians and other shills for big business (now largely foreign-owned) that continue to line up on FR and tout our decline.

Big, foreign-owned business, has a direct line to our political engines, and they're consuming the wealth and advantages earned with the blood of our veterans during the last 240 years and longer. Superficially things look fine to those who are wealthy and successful, but the rest of America knows better.

I would find it amusing that so many on FR continue to advocate "free" trade (at the cost of our seed corn) and "open immigration," except our once-proud country is being sold down the river. It's a travesty.

And meanwhile, we're replacing our strong and united North American culture with millions of Latin Americans, Africans, Asians, and Mid-easterners every year.

Of course those same libertarian FReepers are ready to line up and defend the obliteration of our American culture, as well. They seem to think that the new "mall culture" where everyone can stroll down a facade and buy in English or Spanish is a sure sign of immigration's successful assimilation.

At present rates of replacement, it is traditional America that will be assimilated into chaos, not the other way around. Either way, it's all for sale to the highest, and often foreign bidder.

So enjoy it while it lasts!

5 posted on 03/19/2006 1:28:57 PM PST by John Filson
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To: John Filson

It is always changing. If you keep waching your rear view mirror, you are sure to have a wreck.


6 posted on 03/19/2006 4:08:23 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: ClaireSolt; B4Ranch; A. Pole
I'm not oversimplifying. There would be certain tell-tale signs of America rising to meet the demands placed on us by the internationalists at our helm today. For example, and at minimum, there would be redoubled interest in the sciences and engineering among our young people. There would be a stable birthrate in families native-born Americans. And there would be increased literacy and an energized workforce. Instead we see signs that the workforce is tiring of its need to compete with slave labor sources. We see smaller and smaller families, as we are edged out by immigrants from disparate and incompatible cultures. And we see dismal interest in science and engineering among our youth, who know jobs in those areas are as insecure as can be.

The wreck is definitely happening right now. It's not in the rear-view mirror. The questions is: what are we going to do about it. I saw we should vote our politicians who refuse to recognize America's steady march to third-world status in the name of human rights and internationalism.
7 posted on 03/19/2006 6:20:37 PM PST by John Filson
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To: Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; FreedomPoster; Red Jones; Pyro7480; ...
Trade concessions became a favored foreign policy tool.

The path of least resistance.

8 posted on 03/19/2006 8:48:23 PM PST by A. Pole (Carly Fiorina: "Technology will 'disappear' in 25 years")
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To: B4Ranch; DH

*BUMP*!


9 posted on 03/19/2006 9:34:51 PM PST by ex-Texan (Matthew 7:1 through 6)
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To: ClaireSolt
The only thing in the rear view mirror is the road well traveled; ahead lies nothing but a vast crevice. We have driven beyond the road and off a cliff, and the same old song playing on the radio doesn't seem as pleasant as it once did.
10 posted on 03/19/2006 9:42:38 PM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: ClaireSolt
and are the largest exporter in the world.

Yes. We export wheat and soybeans. They'll come in very hand if we have to respond to an attack and we need to build a lot of missile guidance systems very quickly. Oh pardon me? You say we need rare earth magnets to do that? Oh I am SURE China will make everyone work overtime and freight them to us on COSCO container ships so we can fight them when they attack Taiwan or any other allies we might have. Oh, yes, I am sure Dubai will expedite them so they are unloaded quickly from the ship too. You know they have to protect the $6.9 billion dollars they've invested in our real property, don't you?
11 posted on 03/19/2006 10:07:11 PM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: A. Pole; B4Ranch

a few interesting statistics:

The U.S. borrows more than $2 billion per day from foreigners to finance its huge trade deficits.

Foreigners already own half of the U.S. government's publicly traded debt. Currently $2.19 trillion in Treasury securities were in the hands of central banks, including China and Japan, and private investors abroad.

Total foreign direct investment in this country actual factories, office buildings and other tangible assets as opposed to stocks and bonds came to $1.53 trillion, 8.2 percent more than in 2003.

European nations accounted for $977 billion, or two-thirds, of the $1.53 trillion of foreign direct investment

Arab countries in the Middle East accounted for $9.3 billion, led by $4.7 billion in investment from Saudi Arabia. The United Arab Emirates was second among Middle East Arab countries with $1.8 billion in investments, according to the data.

Nearly one in five U.S. oil refineries is owned by foreign companies. Foreign companies also have a sizable presence in running power plants, chemical factories and water treatment facilities in the United States.


12 posted on 03/19/2006 10:41:09 PM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: B4Ranch

Bump


13 posted on 03/19/2006 11:18:49 PM PST by jpsb
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To: B4Ranch

Treason bump!


14 posted on 03/20/2006 1:41:47 AM PST by Havoc (Evolutionists and Democrats: "We aren't getting our message out" (coincidence?))
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To: hedgetrimmer

This is not correct. "to finance its huge trade deficits." While it is said that money earned in trade is invested in treasuries, the trade deficit is not the same as the federal debt. Foreign investment is a testament to how desirable our business climate is and is a bemnefit to America. It allows us to leverage our money.


15 posted on 03/20/2006 4:38:31 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: hedgetrimmer

There are 300,000 manufacturing companies in the US, dumkopf. But, I'll bet you do not and never have owned one of them.


16 posted on 03/20/2006 4:40:22 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: John Filson

That has always been the view through shit colored glasses. Some have always bemoaned the half-life of science and engineering as some people are rendered irrelevant by rapid progress when they fail to keep up. My son, the software programmer, consequently, has little sympathy for his uncle the system consultant who does mainframe data bases which is declining. The fact is that they are both working now and making very good money. That is the problem with those who try to policize the lifes of others that they know nothing about. Watching soap operas and bemoaning the fates of imaginary people is about as useful.


17 posted on 03/20/2006 4:49:40 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: ClaireSolt
I'll bet you do not and never have owned one of them.

How much?
18 posted on 03/20/2006 6:47:48 AM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: DH; John Filson
What is being missed in all of this is the fact that we have lost our industrial base and are now dependent on foreign manufacturers and business for a huge majority of all materials we use in our daily life.

Correct. It's shameful that we only made $3 trillion worth of stuff last year.


19 posted on 03/20/2006 8:42:05 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I give up! I cannot believe that this graph answers all!

What types of products? What was the cost of doing business in 1990 vs 2006? Just what does this gross amount mean? Are the businesses surveyed and represented in this graph industries that manufacture durable goods, foods, clothing, steel, aluminum, etc...

The big question is: Are these companies manufacturing or assembling? Are their products made from raw materials or simply parts from other countries shipped into this country so that a "made in America" or "assembled in America" tag can be attached to the completed unit?

Simply showing a graph with a gross figure is nothing more than manipulated numbers to make something look good or bad.

I've been in the manufacturing business since 1979 and always get a chuckle when I talk to a salesman. In every case they always throw out GROSS sales figures and have almost no understanding what GROSS PROFIT is. Worse yet, they have absolutely no conception of what NET PROFIT is!

Did this graph take in consideration that in 1990 the cost of doing business was substantially lower than it is today? Did it also take in consideration that gross sales are increased to maintain gross profit due to increased costs of operation?


20 posted on 03/20/2006 9:07:24 AM PST by DH (The government writes no bill that does not line the pockets of special interests.)
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