[Virginia-American]

Consider this: If evolution IS reality, we should be able to copulate openly, steal, lie, cheat, everything to advance myself.

I think you're making a common anti-evo mistake: forgetting that other people are part of the environment we're adapted to.

Think of two tribes of cavemen (or earlier hominids). One of them has an ethos of cooperation and mutual respect. The other's is totally self-centered.

Now tell me, which one is more likely to gang up on and eat a mammoth? IE, which one has the selective advantage here? IE whose genes survive?

[Lexinom]

The very frame of your example presupposes evolution as fact, which is one of the points I've been trying to make. I'm sorry, but unless you can measure it, observe it, and repeat it on a homologous scale in a laboratory, you have no claim on fact. I will readily cede, before you ask, that ex-nihilo Creation will not be repeated in a laboratory

[Senator Bedfellow]

See, unless you can recreate the Andromeda galaxy, the Greek army that laid siege to Troy, or Queen Victoria in the lab, you really have no business stating as a fact that those things exist or existed. It's really just reflective of your presuppositions that you insist that their existence is a matter of fact.