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Have They No Shame?
Dr. Erika's Blog ^ | January 26, 2006 | Dr. Erika Schwartz

Posted on 01/30/2006 6:35:28 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall

In a breathtaking act of bravado, Wyeth is trying to take away your right to access bioidentical hormones and compounding pharmacies by enlisting so-called women’s and physician groups like The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG which is funded in part by Wyeth), North American Menopause Society (NAMS) and The American Medical Women's Association (AMWA also a 'partner' of Wyeth) which have become nothing more than covert "fronts" for the pharmaceutical industry.

In October 2005 Wyeth filed a citizen petition with the FDA essentially asking for elimination of the compounding of bioidentical hormone option for women of all ages.

Please join me in stopping Wyeth from maneuvering us out of our rights and becoming victims of a healthcare system run by the monopoly of big pharma and motivated solely by money.


TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: drugcompanies; hormonereplacement; hormones; menshealth; testosterone; women; womenshealth; wyeth
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For their own profit, Wyeth is trying to eliminate natural, and effective alternatives in women's healthcare choices. Bio-identical hormone therapy is safe and effective for women of all ages and stages.
1 posted on 01/30/2006 6:35:32 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall
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To: Lauren BaRecall

Bioidentical to Premarin?

Unlikely, unless the compounder owns alot of pregnant horses.


2 posted on 01/30/2006 6:45:48 PM PST by Hypervigilant (Iran, you are next.)
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To: Hypervigilant

Premarine is horse urine.

No kidding!


3 posted on 01/30/2006 6:53:00 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: nmh

Pregnant Mare Urine.

Yup. It's the raw source from which the drug is produced.

Before premarin was developed, pregant human urine was used as a source. Folks were paid by volume delivered, so eventually the whole family added their pee to the pot, in order to increase the $$$ brought home. It was because of those problems with purity that the decision was made to move to equine wee-wee.


4 posted on 01/30/2006 7:01:25 PM PST by Hypervigilant (Iran, you are next.)
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To: Hypervigilant
Bio-identical to human hormones (even testosterone). Mare's urine is used for synthetic hormones, and yams are used to make natural, aka bio-identical, hormones.
5 posted on 01/30/2006 7:57:37 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Rudy Giuliani is pro partial birth abortion...just ask Sean Hannity.)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

I don't recall yams being a vertebrate.

I don't know if I agree with the definition of synthetic vs natural/bio-identical. Sounds like a marketing scam to me. Is 17-b estradiol, like Estrace, synthetic or bio-identical? Doesn't come from yams...


6 posted on 01/30/2006 8:05:25 PM PST by Hypervigilant (Iran, you are next.)
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To: Hypervigilant; nmh
Actually, natural hormone replacement therapy isn't just for women. Men have benefited from taking natural testosterone. This issue with Wyeth is important for men, as well.
7 posted on 01/30/2006 8:09:24 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Rudy Giuliani is pro partial birth abortion...just ask Sean Hannity.)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

OK.

How would Wyeth interfere with a mans access to testosterone? There are several T drugs on the market...patches, gel, buccal, injectable...

How is T derived from a plant superior to T from a lab, AKA pharmaceutical T?


8 posted on 01/30/2006 8:13:27 PM PST by Hypervigilant (Iran, you are next.)
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To: Lauren BaRecall
Compounding pharmacies not only provide bioidentical hormone drugs, but also fill an important niche in the healthcare field, especially for individuals who have allergies and senstivities that prevent them from being able to take drugs manufactured with certain chemicals and preservatives.

Here are some relevant links:

Wyeth Citizen Petiton

Legal Response from the International Academy of Compounding Pharmacists

FDA link to SEC. 127. APPLICATION OF FEDERAL LAW TO PRACTICE OF PHARMACY COMPOUNDING - 21 U.S.C. 353a Sec. 503a

Compounding is not something that the average person may know about, or ever need, but it is vitally important to those who benefit from the personalization of their prescription medicine. Compounding pharmacists dispense at the direction of your physician. We are not talking about late-night infomercials hawking "natural" this and that. Please take the time to become familiar with this issue and get involved in order to prevent the FDA from making yet another decision that is bad for the health of consumers yet good for the pocketbook of drug manufacturers.

9 posted on 01/30/2006 8:14:40 PM PST by zgirl
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To: Hypervigilant
I have no idea about Estrace. You can learn all about natural hormones at Dr. Erika's website.

Synthetic hormones are not chemically identical to human hormones. They are close enough to "trick" the body into "thinking" they are the the real stuff. Natural hormones are chemically identical to human hormones, and do not have the links to cancer that synthetic hormones have. This is scientific fact. In addition, natural hormones are very effective.

As I have said, Dr. Erika's website is very informative. I'm not trying to sell anything - I just believe that women and men need to be aware of the health options that are out there. And need to know that a big drug company is trying to eliminate one of these options.

10 posted on 01/30/2006 8:22:41 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Rudy Giuliani is pro partial birth abortion...just ask Sean Hannity.)
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To: zgirl

Compounders do a great job, especially in preparing formulations with a unique vehicle, tailored to the needs of the patient.

When I worked for Wyeth as a sales rep, we were told that the compounders were competition.

I just do not buy the argument that a final product derived from plant sources (phyto-estrogens) is superior to pharmaceutical products. A molecule is a molecule is a molecule.


11 posted on 01/30/2006 8:26:35 PM PST by Hypervigilant (Iran, you are next.)
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To: Hypervigilant
I freely admit I know less about testosterone. However, if it's a question of synthetic vs. natural, I would prefer the natural. I say "I" because women have testosterone, and sometimes testosterone replacement therapy is called for in females.
12 posted on 01/30/2006 8:30:26 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Rudy Giuliani is pro partial birth abortion...just ask Sean Hannity.)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

"Natural hormones are chemically identical to human hormones, and do not have the links to cancer that synthetic hormones have."

That's a dangerous statement. Show me two prospective, blinded, head-to-head studies between "natural" hormones and "synthetic" hormones with a P-value of 0.05 or better with your claim as a primary endpoint...


13 posted on 01/30/2006 8:33:38 PM PST by Hypervigilant (Iran, you are next.)
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I did not use the word "superior." I said that bio-identical hormones are chemically identical to human hormones. Synthetic hormones are not.
14 posted on 01/30/2006 8:36:03 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Rudy Giuliani is pro partial birth abortion...just ask Sean Hannity.)
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To: Hypervigilant
If you are really interested in this, go to Dr. Schwartz's website. She is the authority. She has written a couple of books, in fact. If you don't find your answers there, e-mail her. She is very good about responding, and would love to hear from a former Wyeth rep. :o)
15 posted on 01/30/2006 8:40:02 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Rudy Giuliani is pro partial birth abortion...just ask Sean Hannity.)
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To: zgirl

Thanks for the links, and I agree with you wholeheartedly.


16 posted on 01/30/2006 8:41:12 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Rudy Giuliani is pro partial birth abortion...just ask Sean Hannity.)
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To: Hypervigilant

I understand your point about "a molecule is a molecule" and won't pretend to be able to specifically address the biocemistry and pharmacodynamics involved. That said, I do know from personal experience that compounded bioidentical hormone therapy such as estradiol and progesterone creams can help with many "female" symptoms that have not been previously relieved by more traditional synthetic hormone replacement therapy. Perhaps the key is that the patient can apply the cream in certain amounts prescribed and monitored by their physician according to their current symptoms? Research is still underway regarding the treatment of such maladies as PMS and menopausal symptoms, so perhaps this is a case of "use it if it works." There are too many unknowns at this point to make a broad judgement and I just think it would be a shame to lose compounding as an option in our personal healthcare "arsenals."


17 posted on 01/30/2006 8:41:55 PM PST by zgirl
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To: Lauren BaRecall

I have called on physicians for 8 years. Psychs, GP, IM, Neuro, ID, OB-GYN, Pulmonologists, Allergists, Urologists... And there are a few things I have learned:

1. They are not God.
2. They can be wrong.
3. They can disagree with each other WRT practicing medicine.
4. They can have agendas.

I'm not trying to impugn you. I am trying to say that Dr Schwartz, although an MD, may be quite wrong.

I referenced the scientific standard for proof of efficacy or comparison of side-effect profile or mortality/morbity between drugs. The reason I did, is because there are NO studies that support the claim that plant-derived hormones are safer than other hormones. In my view, any perceived lack of side-effects is usually proportional to lack of efficacy.

I don't mean to be rude. It's just that I've seen both sides, and there is crap on either.

Take care!!!


18 posted on 01/30/2006 8:53:18 PM PST by Hypervigilant (Iran, you are next.)
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To: zgirl

Agreed.

As I said, the compounders are very adept at creating a customized vehicle for the patient.


19 posted on 01/30/2006 8:54:59 PM PST by Hypervigilant (Iran, you are next.)
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To: Hypervigilant
No offense taken, believe me. I do not trust maybe 99% of all doctors, so we're really not on opposing sides. I am convinced, however, that Dr. Schwartz knows her stuff. She basically taught herself everything when the synthetic hormones she was taking did nothing to relieve her own menopausal symptoms.

Anecdotally, a close friend of mine passed away a couple of years ago from breast cancer - I loved her like a sister. I always suspected that it was linked to synthetic hormones.
20 posted on 01/30/2006 9:04:51 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Rudy Giuliani is pro partial birth abortion...just ask Sean Hannity.)
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