Even if you hate George Bush, must you be a Saddam groupie

Indian Express ^ | 12/12/05 | Christopher Hitchens

[Christian4Bush]

Hitchens bump

[Tamar1973]

Far from denying that any such horror had occurred — and it is one of the smaller elements in the bill of indictment — Clark asserted that it was justifiable. He has now twice said that, given the war with the Shiite republic of Iran, Saddam was entitled to take stern measures. ‘‘He had this huge war going on, and you have to act firmly when you have an assassination attempt,’’ he said.

Yet the Far Left claim that the current President Bush had no right to avenge or prosecute those (hint: SADDAM) who tried to assassinate the previous President Bush?

It's ok for Islamic despots to "act firmly" against their enemies but it's not ok for America to "act firmly" against her enemies. We certainly know which side Mr. Clark is on (but most FReepers knew that before this anyway.)

[rightinthemiddle]

interesting to VDH fans ping

[martin_fierro]

Hitchens has a sizeable vocabulary, yet still doesn't adequately express my contempt for Ramsey Clark.

[finnman69]

FYI, Hichens is goign to take apart Scott Ritter in a a debate on Dec. 20.

[razorgirl]

The problem with the Saddam trial is one of legitimacy, not of guilt. We want to showcase to the Muslim world the western-style system of justice, which includes presumption of innocence, no matter how unpopular the defendant.

It would have been much better to have had Saddam tried in the Hague, so that the world could see the evidence of torture and killing, and the trial wouldn't be going on in a war zone. Instead, the Iraqi court appears to be incompetent, fueling the image of a kangaroo court under an occupation force. This whole clumsy exercise threatens to generate some sympathy, particularly among Sunnis who are suffering the greatest losses after Saddam's overthrow.

[dead]

What will Sheehan and the other humanitarians say this time? Or are they simply pro-war and on the other side?

Doesn’t even need an answer, of course.

But the “they hate George Bush” excuse doesn’t even scratch the surface, when you consider that many of these leftists have been up to these shenanigans for fourty plus years.

The fact is that they hate the United States, and George Bush (to his credit) represents much of what they hate about it.

[msnimje]

Your poster has come a long way baby!!

[adorno]

Common sense, logic, reasoning, lessons from history, are characteristics which cannot even begin to break into the mind of a radical leftist. The left's agenda is more important than the common good of the country and the people. They are hard-wired to reject any sensible viewpoints.

Saddam Hussein could've murdered Ramsey Clark's family, but Ramsey would've found a way to lay blame on his own family or somebody else.

[SF Republican]

the Iraqi court that Clark described as illegitimate - hard to blame him for feeling that way; I mean they will allow anyone that shows up to be Saddam's atty and speak on his behalf? Not a member of the bar - no problem; never studied Iraqi law - no problem.

[dead]

Thanks! I just added the three "little people" near the front.

[Treader]

Where & when will this event occur? Thanks for the heads-up.

[Treader]

The Sunnis are suffering the greatest losses? Yeah, kinda like the Nazis after the defeat of Hitler & his Germany. A trial at the Hague is exactly where Ramsey Clark and the rest of the socialist-facists, would love to portray/betray the Iraqi's long coming & well deserved justice upon these Bastards of Humanity. Thanks for the insightful view, to your benevolent nature.

[finnman69]

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Scott Ritter vs Christopher Hitchens -Iraq War debate

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Scott Ritter vs Cristopher Hitchens on the Iraq War - 12/20/2005, 7:00 pm


The debate to end all debates: the brash and controversial Scott Ritter against the legendary Christopher Hitchens on the War that divides America and the World.
After 30 months of fighting, estimates range from 30,000 to 100,000 dead Iraqi civilians, and upwards of 2,100 dead American troops. Many questions linger. Saddam's reign is history, but is Iraq better off? Why did we go, and why are we still there? When should we pull out?
Come ponder our country's foremost foreign policy issues, moderated by Air America's brilliant Laura Flanders!

THE PARTICIPANTS:
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS, Vanity Fair columnist and America's favorite British contrarian, wields a crowded kebob skewer displaying the charred likes of Ronald Reagan, Henry Kissinger, Mother Teresa, and Bill Clinton. He was recently voted the world's 5th Top Public Intellectual by Prospect Magazine. Hitchens has written over 60 books and is a proud enemy of all Religions. Abandoning most of his former comrades on the Left, Hitchens vehemently supports Bush's war on Iraq.

SCOTT RITTER is the straight-talking former marine officer who the CIA wants to silence.
During Desert Storm, he served as a ballistic missile advisor to General Norman Schwarzkopf. In the mid 1990's, Ritter helped lead the UN weapons inspections of Iraq and found himself at the center of a dangerous game between the Iraqi and US regimes. In 2000, Ritter wrote that Iraq had no militarily significant stocks of prohibited weapons. He strongly opposes Bush's war on Iraq.

America's smartest radio host, LAURA FLANDERS can be heard weekends, 7-10 pm on Air America Radio network. Weekdays, you can hear on "Your Call" on public radio, KALW, 91.7 fm in San Francisco and on the Internet. She is the author of BUSHWOMEN: Tales of a Cynical Species, an investigation into the women in George W. Bush's Cabinet.

JUST ADDED: COMEDIAN RANDY CREDICO

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[Treader]

Thanks again!

[Tolik]

Christopher Hitchens:

...In the run-up to the war, almost whichever way the debate was going, one could count on the president’s opponents to stipulate that, yes, Saddam was certainly a dreadful and criminal figure. This position was hardly optional, given the Alps of evidence assembled over the years, much of it later excavated in mass graves and torture centers and in the ruin of two neighboring states.

Yet now, one of the best-known spokesmen for the antiwar cause [Ramsey Clark] appears across the world’s TV screens, openly saying the Hussein system was justified all along in its aggression abroad and fascism at home.

I was, and still am, one of those who advocated publicly for the overthrow of Saddam. In debates, I proposed that most participants could at least agree on something. Whatever one’s view of the propriety and competence of the intervention, it could surely be accepted that human rights groups in Iraq could use some help digging up the mass graves and identifying the fundamentalists on both sides of the argument; that the Kurdish people — the largest stateless minority in the region — were in need of solidarity; and that the ‘‘marsh’’ Arabs, victims of one of the worst ecocides ever inflicted, were calling for help.

For the most part, the antiwar faction has subordinated everything to its hatred of Bush, folded its hands and watched coldly as Iraqi democrats struggle in a sea of chaos. That sham neutrality is bad enough. But now, the antiwarriors do have a permanent representative in Baghdad, in the form of an apologist for the past crimes and aggressions of a man who makes his hero, Mussolini, seem like an amateur.

What will Sheehan and the other humanitarians say this time? Or are they simply pro-war and on the other side?

Nailed It!
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[Valin]

FYI
DEc. 13 2003 American forces captured a bearded and haggard-looking Saddam Hussein in an underground hide-out on a farm in Adwar near his hometown of Tikrit. 2 other Iraqis were arrested.
"I Punched Saddam in the Mouth"
River Front Times ^ | April 13, 2005 | CHAD GARRISON

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1391805/posts
Posted on 04/26/2005 10:30:35 PM CDT by West Coast Conservative

[BJClinton]

Thanks for the ping, great read. I've sent it to the anti-Bush folks I work with. Since I'm leaving early due to illness I should be safe. :)