Posted on 12/10/2005 6:28:19 AM PST by TennMountains
Edited on 12/11/2005 12:54:13 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
What irrational behavior?
NOT
"The occupants in the apartment next to Maye's allowed entry after announcement and there was no resistance. Maye did not. Porch lights were on in the front of Maye's apartment and the uniformed officers and marked cars visible in the front yard and on the porch. The officers announced at the front door and then at the back door. The officer who killed was at the front door initially and then went around the back to the back door before entry was made. ..."
This one?
"The officer who killed was at the front door initially and then went around the back to the back door before entry was made. ... "
Yes. Although the prosecutor doesn't clearly state that there was a forceable entry it is clear what he doesn't state. The prosecutor is not an idiot. He knows that any reasonable controversy over Maye would disappears if the Officer was shot before entering the residence. Plus the other news reports make it clear the Officer was inside. If the Officer was shot through the door then the prosecutor, the police department and the news media in that town have created an unnecessary controversy.
Changing your tune.
You're correct about why I limited my statement to "simple trespass". But does Texas allow for no-knock warrants? If it does how do you provide for the young officer that's made a mistake or is acting on bad information? The Maye situation teaches me that even if my door is being broken down and men are coming in, I have to pause long enough to establish that it's not the police and/or loudly ask who's breaking down my door. However, I must admit that prior to shooting to kill, I can not imagine not yelling a warning and firing off a couple of warning shots.
Yep.....Glad to know that info ...if it is correct....Fr has slid up the ramp and almost cleared the shark tank in the last year or so....ALMOST that is...
"too many self righteous idiots here who would be the first to call another freeper a bigot but can't recognize it in themselves even if it crawls out their hiney"
I haven't read the entire thread, but I've read enough
to know exactly what you meant in the above comment.
Before someone refers to someone else as a bigot,
perhaps they should take a closer look at themselves.
Bigotry takes many forms, and it is alive and well
on Free Republic.
I think I just mentioned that on another thread. ;o)
See the letter from the prosecuter posted today?
http://www.theagitator.com/archives/2005_12.php
I didn't know that.
You're right...the picture is clearer, now.
Bump!
"In addition to the NAACP, shouldn't the NRA have some comment or opinion? Why has this case been so completely overlooked by parties that one would assume have an interest in the issues?"
Perhaps it's too "hot" a topic for the NRA because a local police officer was killed in the line of duty. IMHO, big mistakes were made on both sides. I never heard, did the police even have the correct address for this raid? Was it the wrong duplex?
Thanks for the heads up.
"The issues in the case are; 1.Did Jones have a warrant, 2.Was he serving the warrant as a law enforcement officer and 3. Did Maye know he was a law enforcement officer when he shot him. The jury decided these things."
Wrong. Jones was with a second raid team in the back.
Police came from their vehicles with lights flashing and would most likely the first team reaches the front door before the second team reaches the back.
Jones was armed and from everything I've read had his gun holstered and was inside the residence when he was shot and then came back to the door they knocked down for assistance.
Maye heard pounding and pounding at his door he says. For the Police to have already been bashing in the door and entering the residence giving Maye time to go to his daughters room and get his gun makes me find it hard to believe nobody yelled Police by then.
So?
Police came from their vehicles with lights flashing and would most likely the first team reaches the front door before the second team reaches the back.
Supposition.
"you got a lot a gall to point fingers at the South from the moral high perch of Oklahoma...lol"
I call 'em like I see em. I don't remember saying Okie land was perfect, either. If you got that impression, you missed the point. We've all got a LONG way to go yet.
As for my comments re: mississippi, it isn't bashing when it's the truth.
If that's the case, IMHO, every single cop on the raid should be indicted and prosecuted for capital murder unless or until they can prove that they had a legitimate basis for it.
He almost certainly had some sort of attourney. On the other hand, I would think that someone who could afford a defense attourney worthy of a case like this probably wouldn't be living in a duplex.
And I doubt ANY death penalty is administered in America without one or two appeals courts reviewing the case.
Unfortunately, the way the system is set up one can almost never appeal one's own attourney's mistakes (even if the attourney is a public defender). While there are generally sound reasons for this, it can nonetheless lead to injustices.
BTW, I would expect the state to exert more efforts prosecuting this guy if he's innocent than if he's actually guilty. After all, if he's innocent that would point the finger of responsibility elsewhere.
If that is the case, every cop who took part in raiding this half should be prosecuted for capital murder.
Any cop who conducts a raid without a warrant that is at least facially valid for the raid as conducted is an nothing better than an armed thug.
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=D0&Date=20051211&Category=NEWS&ArtNo=512110806&Ref=PH&Profile=1002&Params=Itemnr=46
Just in case anyone wants to put a face to the name.
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