Posted on 11/23/2005 5:46:38 PM PST by GladesGuru
As Governor Bradford said, individual ownership of land resulted in the crop surplus that made possible the first Thanksgiving.
I can't find the article on the link.
What a stretch.
I think this article is a turkey.
For whatever reasons, there is a gut-level urge to collectivism, Marxism, Communism, etc when a society's existence is threatened. Yes, that would include the urge to raise taxes in a "soak the rich" campaign.
This sort of collectivism does work... but only if it is voluntary. In other words, it's the old addage that "if we all work together then we'll all get thru this." We pitch in, help our neighbor, feed the poor, care for the sick, etc.
However, when one is forced by law to give up all that they have to give to those who are undermotivated to do all that they can do then the system falls apart quickly.
Besides, among the immoralities of Socialism (Communism, colletivism, etc) is that we are no longer free moral agents. We MUST be our brother's keeper, whether we like it or not. Unfortunately, for an act to be either moral or immoral the individual will be a free moral agent, and in such a system, one cannot be a free moral agent. In other words, "good works" are not good when we're forced to do them. Mankind, therefore, cannot be moral under the "isms".
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0902/0902amsoc.htm
Above URL has the truth about the Pilgrims first year.
The American socialist experiment
By Charles F. Wickwire
web posted September 2, 2002
On November 11, 1620, the Mayflower landed at Plymouth Rock. The ship lay at anchor until March, the pilgrims living onboard while permanent housing was being built. When the Mayflower finally left, 27 adults and 23 children were left of the 102 people who set out across the ocean. Their governor was William Bradford and under his leadership, these first Americans began to make a new life in the New World.
What very few Americans today know is this very first colony on the shores of America started out as a socialist colony. The Pilgrims at Plymouth set up a common store that worked on the principle of "From Each According To His Ability - To Each According To His Need". Everything that the colony produced was placed in the common store and was then distributed out as needed.
For two years the colony worked to create a socialist Utopia but even with an additional 30 settlers who arrived a year after the Mayflower, the colony barely survived. Each winter the colonist would go hungry being reduced to rations of a quarter pound of bread at times. Governor Bradford relates his experiences concerning the socialist state he had helped to create:
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0902/0902amsoc.htm
Better URL with quotes from Governor Bradford.
Bet you didn't know they picked Plymouth Rock because they ran out of beer.
Another thing about the Boston Tea Party, it was the second and smaller than the one in Delaware.
This one?
http://www.chestertownteaparty.com/about.html
Learn something new every day.
You are welcome. I love history trivia, thanks for the addition.
I had forgotten about this. Thanks for recounting it. Very apropos.
Didnt they also arrive too late for planting a crop in the New England climate?
My wife just made a couple gallons of chicken soup for tomorrow.
My wife just made a couple gallons of chicken soup for tomorrow.
Wise woman. Chickensoup is the best...if I say so myself!
The kids are grown now, but they still think we are supposed to have chx soup for the main holidays. They always request it when they come home.
I'm pretty sure I was never taught this. Thanks for the link. I'm going to be sure all 3 of my sons read it as well, because if I wasn't taught it, I'm SURE they weren't!
susie
Ha, this is our first Thanksgiving with no children or family here, so we are having.....LOBSTER!
susie
There was a while when several of us related families would get together for Thanksgiving and eat at a restaurant instead of cooking. I always ordered prime rib. The lobster sounds great!
We smoked a turkey two days ago, will be eating that soon. Having sauerkraut as well.
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