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Bad day to be Sony
/. ^ | 11-15-2005 | Zonk

Posted on 11/15/2005 4:09:12 PM PST by Amerigomag

Not only is Sony no longer selling the RootKit CDs, .... according to a USAToday article, "Sony is to pull their controversial rootkit CDs from store shelves". A nice gesture, but a little late.

.... "Sony's DRM rootkit has been found by Dan Kaminsky to have infected at least half a million networks". .... Dan has even put together some pretty pictures of the breadth of the infection.... "With so many people infected, it's unfortunate that from the Washington Post comes the news that "serious security flaws have been found in the software that Sony is distributing to users who want to remove the Sony rootkit". .... "Because of the way the tool is configured ... it allows any Web page that the user subsequently visits to download, install and run any code that it likes". Oops.

Even Microsoft is getting into the act. .... "Microsoft said it would remove controversial copy-protection software that CDs from music publisher Sony BMG install on personal computers, deeming it a security risk to PCs running on Windows."

(Excerpt) Read more at slashdot.org ...


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To: HairOfTheDog

I try, but I don't know 10% of it :)


21 posted on 11/15/2005 4:34:15 PM PST by MikefromOhio (We don't give a damn for the WHOLE state of Michigan.....)
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To: Amerigomag

This is directly derived from the methods used by Sony's Verant Interactive subsidiary to detect cheaters in their MMORPGs (and is about as successful).


22 posted on 11/15/2005 4:35:44 PM PST by thoughtomator (Bring Back HCUA!)
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To: SoDak
On the other hand, DOD computers should be for official use only and people introducing this software by unofficial use should be reprimanded for it.
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Yes, it's a government computer, but I'm working at it and I want to hear some music. I didn't intend to load any software on the computer, how could listening to a legal compact disk compromise the computer?

Well, now of course we know how, but was this foreseeable before this last week? That the Sony Corp. employs morons and they will compromise my computer?

Since I don't work for the government someone who does will have to help me out. What constitutes unofficial use? If I work for the government, and at the end of the day I go to weather.com to find out what the weather is for the drive home, is that unofficial use and potentially punishable?
23 posted on 11/15/2005 4:39:01 PM PST by Cheburashka
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To: HairOfTheDog

I'm not clear on what the Sony rootkit needs for user rights in order to function. But the reality is that a great many users operate on an account with full local admin rights anyway. Makes the question sort of moot on those machines.

Sure, it's smart not to, but most don't want to put up with the hassles that happen all day if you limit your own rights and have to keep logging on and off under different sets of rights to get stuff done.


24 posted on 11/15/2005 4:53:26 PM PST by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1000 knives and counting!)
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To: HairOfTheDog; MikeinIraq

I haven't been playing close attention, but I think this thing installs only if you're set to autorun a CD you stick in the drive. Which I darn sure am not, and would expect any halfway-decently locked-down machine to not allow.


25 posted on 11/15/2005 5:29:41 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: FreedomPoster
Sorry, a lot of people want their music CD to start up after inserting it into the drive and closing the door. So auto-run is enabled. In fact, I believe this is the default setting when you install Windows, or buy a machine with Windows preloaded.
But the main story we have here is a Sony's malicious attempt to secretly install software, which is virtually undetectable, without the user consenting to it being installed.
And unfortunately, the removal tool, as we are finding out today, may cause more damage than the software Sony forced installed upon us.
26 posted on 11/15/2005 5:42:14 PM PST by rawhide
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To: Ramius
I'm not clear on what the Sony rootkit needs for user rights in order to function.

It has to write to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE to install itself. By default, only administrators have permission to write to HKLM, so unless you're an administrator, or you've changed the permissions on the registry (surely beyond the ken of most users), it fails.

But the reality is that a great many users operate on an account with full local admin rights anyway.

True that. Well, experience is a harsh mistress ;)

27 posted on 11/15/2005 5:52:46 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Senator Bedfellow; Ramius

OK - so what does this mean to me... my computer doesn't ask me questions about admin rights.


28 posted on 11/15/2005 5:55:38 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: Senator Bedfellow

So... pretty much everybody is vulnerable.


29 posted on 11/15/2005 5:57:21 PM PST by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1000 knives and counting!)
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To: HairOfTheDog

You're operating with local admin rights, just like 99% of users in the world.


30 posted on 11/15/2005 5:58:24 PM PST by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1000 knives and counting!)
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To: Ramius

That's what I thought... he was making it sound like I would have had to do something beyond me to end up this way.


31 posted on 11/15/2005 5:59:09 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: Ramius

Doesn't have to be that way, but unfortunately most end-users are not well educated about why running as a local admin all the time is a bad idea. It doesn't have to be that way, though - very few programs really need administrative privileges to run.


32 posted on 11/15/2005 6:00:21 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: freedumb2003
From what I am hearing it seems somehow Sony's little spyware seems to have bypassed a lot of anti-virus and system lockouts.

Another poster this afternoon said he had heard that the Sony rootkit may propagate over intranets and/or company networks. So once one person puts a Sony/BMG disc into their CD drive ...

33 posted on 11/15/2005 6:13:30 PM PST by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: SoDak

"On the other hand, DOD computers should be for official use only and people introducing this software by unofficial use should be reprimanded for it."

Playing commercial music CDs may not be banned.


34 posted on 11/15/2005 6:18:47 PM PST by gondramB
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To: CFC__VRWC
Another poster this afternoon said he had heard that the Sony rootkit may propagate over intranets and/or company networks. So once one person puts a Sony/BMG disc into their CD drive...

If this is true, Sony is also guilty of creating a computer virus, which this spyware is.

35 posted on 11/15/2005 6:23:54 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: CFC__VRWC

I do not believe this to be true. I have a network at home with 4 nodes on a domain, and it has not done this, even given ample time.


36 posted on 11/15/2005 6:32:03 PM PST by SoDak (Yes, I'm a SysAdmin)
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To: gondramB

It is on my network. It's expressely outlined in the employee handbook. I could only hope the DOD systems are at least as secure as that. If not, Sony software is the least of our worries.


37 posted on 11/15/2005 6:33:37 PM PST by SoDak (Yes, I'm a SysAdmin)
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To: Defiant

I think Sony should get criminal charges for hacking. Course, it's probably not any worse than RealPlayer. However, I created a rule a while back that says, "If it says Sony, I ain't buying it." That was after they put out the cds that would lock up a disc drive.


38 posted on 11/15/2005 6:39:10 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: thoughtomator

Well, there goes the server economy for about the next 6 months.


39 posted on 11/15/2005 6:53:21 PM PST by Fire_on_High (I am so proud of what we were...)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Sony is also guilty of creating a computer virus

It is spyware and it cloaks files, but it doesn't spread by itself. Inserting their CD makes their program run and install which is true of thousands of other program and media CD's.

40 posted on 11/15/2005 7:49:41 PM PST by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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