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To: Reaganghost; Eastbound; HopefulPatriot
Reaganghost, you make a very eloquent case for conscience. For doing the right thing rather than the apparent righteous thing that blind loyalty might lead one to. You have backed it up with quite a number of persuasive quotes from a broad range of great minds. I couldn't agree more with the point you have made.

It seemed to me that HP's post about the PoA was suggesting that the PoA was not only a tool to create socialist mind-numbed robots, such as you warn against, but also a sign of that mindset in those who recite/support it. I think I am not the only one who took it that way. I have to fully agree with Eastbound's post about the meaning and intent of the PoA.

Since I agree that loyalty to a rogue government is wrong I must, logically, still have some trust in it when I pledge my allegiance to it. When that ceases to be the case it will be the government I reject not the PoA. I will simply cease to recite it. It may be a rather subjective personal opinion as to when that threshhold is crossed but finding fault with the author of the PoA isn't it. That's like saying that the DoI is crap because T. Jefferson had slaves.

IMO it is pointless to harp on traditions or institutions of culture or patriotism if one thinks that this country has passed the point of legitimacy. I see two choices in that case; leave the country or start your revolution. If it hasn't passed that point where else does one's allegiance lie?

158 posted on 11/12/2005 4:08:04 PM PST by TigersEye (Intellectuals exist only if you think they do.)
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To: Reaganghost; HopefulPatriot; TigersEye; All
There is a difference between our form of government and those we elect, appoint, and hire to manage it. Our Pledge of Allegiance is to the former, not to the latter.

Those who think that we who recite the pledge are swearing obedience to 'our country, right or wrong' have not been reading the memos.

I think we're all on the same side here. Let's not get dogmatic and lost in semantics. It's too damn close to Claire's time. Let's just stick with Plan A and replace the bahstids -- somehow, and the rest will fall into place.

159 posted on 11/13/2005 10:36:16 AM PST by Eastbound
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