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To: HopefulPatriot
There is little you wrote that I disagree with, but your method won't work...at this point.

Here is where you make your mistake. Your plan assume RINO's get elected because that is the only candidate presented to voters and the solution is to help real conservatives win the primary.

You're putting the cart before the horse.

Have you considered that RINO's might be getting elected because that is the only conservative candidate electable in that district? Do you honestly believe that today a Bob Dornan (insert your fav conservative) could get elected in many of the RINO heavy states of the Northeast? He can't. The voters there lean right on economic issues but left on many social issues, particularly those involving abortion and social programs. Presenting a Bob Dornan type there as the pub candidate will only insure a Dem victory because voters want a moderate.

Before you can elect true conservatives in those RINO districts you have to change the minds and hearts of voters who pull the lever.

We have had forty years of propaganda and lies being told to the voters by our media. They have infested our educational institutions to manipulate the minds of children and are churning out millions of mush headed liberal leaning graduates every years. It can take up to twenty years to undo that damage.

They spend hundreds of millions of dollars every year in thousands of liberal non profits, foundations and institutions to manipulate the opinions of voters and get thermo elect their candidates.

Before you can run and elect more conservatives (not to mention turning dem districts around) you have to change the attitudes and perceptions of the electorate. In other words you have to prepare the ground to make electing conservatives a probability.

This means balancing the main stream media, getting an equal voice in schools and on college campuses, their administrations and faculties, and defunding their ability to propagandize to the public.

Once that is done, putting your plan of electing true more conservatives to public office will be a possibility.
101 posted on 11/08/2005 10:23:10 AM PST by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Bob J
"There is little you wrote that I disagree with, but your method won't work...at this point."

This is the kind of dialog we encourage. We are looking for the solution to a problem that no conservative has been able to solve. This is precisely the mission of this forum. And the give and take discussion of how We can go about putting government back in its Constitutional cage is what we are trying to achieve. Bob J follows through by offering something that he thinks must be a part of any program to restore the Constitution:

"Here is where you make your mistake. Your plan assume RINO's get elected because that is the only candidate presented to voters and the solution is to help real conservatives win the primary."

My response:
We have carefully considered that very problem. You raise issues that must be addressed. Read the section on the Great Debate and the section on the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies. For those who want to read ahead so that you can be prepared for what we intend to post in the future (we are willing to give Judith Anne the opportunity to ambush us), here is a link that will take you to the next article in the series. Please understand that the future articles are drafts and still undergoing revisions such that when actually posted to FreeRepublic some changes could occur. As Judith Anne noted we had put a link to the next article at the bottom of the post. We will resume that practice in future articles and add a link to the previous article as it appeared on Free Republic.

Bob J continues: "We have had forty years of propaganda and lies.."

My response:
Actually, it is closer to a hundred years. Woodrow Wilson's election will actually mark the beginning of the end of the United States if some effort to turn things around is not successful. One of the things that most Americans are going to have a great deal of difficulty in understanding is that life as we know it in the United States can actually go on for another decade at most. When you do the math, our balance sheets, income statements and cash flow statements are insolvent now if others were to stop lending us the cash needed to make current accounts cash flow. If creditors were to stop renewing maturing bonds, even without new lending, it is very debatable whether we could survive the downgrading of the credit rating of US treasuries that could result.

Think of the awful magnitude of that statement. What was once considered to be the world's only risk free investment for more than a century, is now in danger of being downgraded for credit risk by both Moody's and Standard and Poors. And if the Chinese communists or the Japanese stopped rolling over maturing bonds, the credit downgrade would almost be a foregone conclusion. All of the people who believe that PBG corp, SS and Medicare are going to pay their full benefits with purchasing power equivalent to today's values are going to be completely wrong. It is not mathematically possible. The United States government is going to default in some way; the question is whether they will stiff beneficiaries with non payment or pay the benefits, but pay them with a worthless currency. Both carry immense risk. Devaluing the currency, the least painful politically here in the US and the preferred means of default by all governments in history carries the credit risk posed by foreign bond holders demanding payment.

Every democracy in history ends in bankruptcy or hyperinflation after the public learns to vote itself benefits. The US is much closer to the brink than anybody can imagine. Before each of you flame the quotes in this or the paragraph above, be aware that we are going to provide the data and the analysis that under gird these statements and we want to give you ample opportunity to find your own data or analysis that will refute these hypotheses. I'm also going to ask that you extend me the courtesy of delaying your attacks on these statements until we get to that stage of our presentation. Please take the opportunity to use that time to sharpen your swords to the greatest possible extent. In the mean time, we would like to stay focused on the big picture of restoring the Constitution and not get lost at this moment in the details of why we need to restore the Constitution.

We really can get through this mess if we can develop the will, have the debate, and get the American people back to reality.

Remember our challenge and then please consider whether you are willing to take The Pledge

125 posted on 11/09/2005 9:18:04 AM PST by HopefulPatriot
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