Posted on 10/22/2005 2:53:50 PM PDT by RobRoy
Yet again, they are nailed succinctly and effectively. Who are "they"? Well, you will "know them by their works" on this and other threads...
Let the games begin!
Is that so? Just wait until I get my 200 page explanation ready. Then you'll be sorry!
He's right.
"If Pennsylvania wants to mention Creationism, or to require three years of French for graduation, it seems mightily to me that these things are the business of parents in Pennsylvania."
Sure it is... But if they do it by dropping math or English or real science then they shouldn't expect those kids to be treated as if they had a valid high school education.
I'd like to prevent that harm to the children because education for kids is important to the wellbeing of the country.
Sigh...No he's not. If I decide to pull my child from a science class because they start teaching religion, does my child get a pass?
Who decides what creationist theory get taught? Shall we spend our time in biology covering every religions creationist story (and leave the ten minutes left for a quick look at science?)?
The major problem IMHO with this whole ID thing is the moment it's incorporated every religion is going to want to be represented (and sorry quite rightly to).
Creationism should be kept in religious studies.
It's not that hard to understand.
Fred Reed used to be a good read. Now he's just tiresome.
A quick web search suggests that there are about 4,200 extant religions.
If you allow ten minutes for each, that amounts to nearly 4 hours each school day.
But don't worry, the CS/ID movement is not about teaching those other religions.
He's right.
Thank you for agreeing that the plaintiffs in the Dover, PA lawsuit -- who are parents -- have the right to challenge the creationism that's being forced into their kids' science classes by a handful of board members.
I'm glad to see that you and Fred Reed agree with the lawsuit that the PARENTS are using to challenge the board's poor decision, and that you agree that it is, indeed, "their business" to do so.
But don't worry, the CS/ID movement is not about teaching those other religions.
Exactly and my guess is that if one parent complained about not being represented, the judge would side with the parent in about ten minutes.
The whole thing would be a awful mess pretty quickly.
Then again hey it's only our children's education.
Those subjects have already been dropped, as a rule - along with history, geography, foreign languages - with the result that it's generally known that a high-school diploma doesn't represent any identifiable level of educational achievement ... simply a pulse and an acceptance of tedium.
Yeah, it sure is awful when we "spam" threads with large amounts of supporting evidence for evolution because yet another creationist has lied and said that there isn't any.
I think of articles like this one and others.
Yes, I can see why you would find comfort in essays which misrepresent large numbers of things in order to reinforce your shaky belief that there's something terribly wrong with evolutionary biology. You've done it before, and I have no doubt you'll do it again.
I note, however, that Reed didn't bother to actually try to refute, or even discuss, the evidence or the science itself. Instead, he relies on ad hominem and innuendo. I can see why, though -- the creationists don't have the facts on their side, so they have to engage in such underhanded distractions and chest-thumping self-righteousness as a substitute for being able to support their position based on the actual evidence.
Yet again, they are nailed succinctly and effectively.
If believing that brings you comfort, I'm happy for you.
Who are "they"? Well, you will "know them by their works" on this and other threads...
You mean the anti-evolution creationists who keep telling falsehoods and engage in constant misrepresentations in order to dishonestly attack a straw-man version of their actual opponents' position? Yeah, I agree, I *do* know them by their works.
Let the games begin!
That's the problem, you keep treating serious subjects as a game.
Was your prior attempt part of 'new' math?
Old math, low caffeine level...
"But don't worry, the CS/ID movement is not about teaching those other religions."
Here we go again with the "straw man." Creation science and ID are two wholly different ideas. Creation science rests on a literal interpretation of genesis and thus is rooted in the judeo-christian and, I think, islamic religions. ID simply states that the reocrd of available scientific evidence to date indicates intelligent design as the explanation for life and especially of man. Just about any religion that believes in god or gods could fall into that category. Maybe even pantheism.
Darwinsism, on the other hand, represents the religion of naturalism...that is, that there is no God, and that life started by chance, and has evolved in to the diversity of species we see today, by chance. Darwinism has compelling evidence of evolution to such an extent as variations in species, but is lacking in species to species evidence. And certainly, has no commpelling evidence that life began by chance...only naturalistic speculation.
Exactly. Some don't realize that evolution wasn't always taught in schools. I remember science being taught in an "ID theme" when I was a kid....which was the norm THEN. The advances in science were tremendous and our education system was the envy of every nation.
Now, we've rewritten history, math, lowered the reading skill levels...all so no one is offended or left out. As a result..we graduate illiterates and pass them on to college (if they're good in sports) then wonder why they can't function or compete in the real world.
Sure that handful is a majority of the school board (more than half, at least) which was elected by more than half of those who chose to vote in the relevant elections. In the United States, we prefer to have decisions made by elected officials, rather than by lawsuits. At least we did, when students learned more about the basics of Constitutional government than they did about "alternative lifestyles."
Those who are unhappy with the actions of the elected school board should be motivated to try very hard to put their own candidates in office at the next opportunity.
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