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If You Don't Trust Him to Choose, Why Did You Vote for Him?
Pardon My English ^ | October 14, 2005 | Kerry Jacoby

Posted on 10/14/2005 6:47:23 PM PDT by quidnunc

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To: quidnunc

I'm beginning to wonder why the political conservatives voted for Bush.



Because in a race between a moderate and a socialist, we chose the moderate.


121 posted on 10/15/2005 12:41:40 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (It didn't have to be Mr. President. It just didn't have to be.)
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To: quidnunc

Where they have no knowledge, they seek advice from people they trust who do. Quite bluntly, they trust Dobson and Warren more than they do Limbaugh and Coulter. And because Dobson and Warren trust Bush on this, they are more inclined to do so.




Does this guy have the money to go out and buy a clue?


122 posted on 10/15/2005 12:51:10 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (It didn't have to be Mr. President. It just didn't have to be.)
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To: csmusaret

It is the Republican Party not the Conservative Party.




You got that right.


123 posted on 10/15/2005 1:05:35 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (It didn't have to be Mr. President. It just didn't have to be.)
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To: Rokke

Al Gore actually said what you say Bush said




So...Al Gore was going to nominate judges like Scalia and Thomas?


124 posted on 10/15/2005 1:12:52 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (It didn't have to be Mr. President. It just didn't have to be.)
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To: trubluolyguy
"So...Al Gore was going to nominate judges like Scalia and Thomas?"

Probably not. But do you deny Al Gore made the statement?

125 posted on 10/15/2005 1:52:38 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke

I don't have the resources to review each and every one of Bush's 2004 stump speaches. If you have done so, please advise.


126 posted on 10/15/2005 4:22:31 AM PDT by Paladin2 (MSM rioted over Katrina and looted the truth)
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To: aumrl
"fued as you"

"strict constructionalist"?

"that's y the pres(W) is followin the constitution"

I rest my case regarding the previous suggestion.

127 posted on 10/15/2005 4:31:05 AM PDT by Paladin2 (MSM rioted over Katrina and looted the truth)
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To: csmusaret

> Who said there were no better qualified candidates?

Ahem, the president, upon introducing her and in subsequent days, said she was the best qualified candidate.


128 posted on 10/15/2005 4:42:22 AM PDT by XEHRpa
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To: Rokke
Bush has not yet been found on the record (not by me, but by the media types with greater resources) as saying those exact words.

However as stated before, this "message" has been widely reported and not directly refuted by Bush either. This is typical of politicians to go with the maximum ambiguity.

"BASH: A longtime top Bush aide confirms to CNN Mr. Bush didn't actually publicly pledge a Scalia or a Thomas, but they made no effort to clarify. To conservative activists, it was code. They expected Mr. Bush to pick justices with clear records showing they'd move the court right."

Bush did get much of his support due to not directly refuting this "message". Miers is clearly not to the level of Roberts Scalia, Thomas nor Renquist. This is the point where the ambiguity becomes more clear and many are not happy. Makes no difference on what exactly was said. There is a lot that was unsaid and not refuted and therefore expected. Bush's appointees are successively moving away from the expectation and, yes, creating outrage regarding same.

Why doesn't Bush take the Clintonesque approach and, as in a court of law, say:" I never said that. All of these people are mistaken. I have kept my (non)promise".

Boy, that would fix everything, wouldn't it.

129 posted on 10/15/2005 5:26:12 AM PDT by Paladin2 (MSM rioted over Katrina and looted the truth)
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To: Paladin2

Upon further review of the situation, Miers is another step on the path to the eventual nomination of Gonzales.


130 posted on 10/15/2005 5:40:39 AM PDT by Paladin2 (MSM rioted over Katrina and looted the truth)
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To: XEHRpa
Ahem, the president, upon introducing her and in subsequent days, said she was the best qualified candidate.

Comedy Gold.

131 posted on 10/15/2005 5:54:30 AM PDT by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: quidnunc
Of all the lame pro-Miers arguments, this one might be the lamest.

It's exactly like someone saying "If you voted for Gore, how can you support Bush's war against al Qaeda" or "if you voted for Gore, how can you support Bush's pro-invader policies".
132 posted on 10/15/2005 8:26:51 AM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: OkieDoke
 "Gotta cite for that vegan claim?"
 
Genesis 1:29
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Genesis 1:28-30 (in Context) Genesis 1 (Whole Chapter)
 
After the flood.......
 
Genesis 9: 2-3
 
 

133 posted on 10/15/2005 8:40:28 AM PDT by Radix (My Tg Ln lst ll th vwls bt nt mny ppl ntcd.)
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To: Paladin2
"However as stated before, this "message" has been widely reported and not directly refuted by Bush either. This is typical of politicians to go with the maximum ambiguity."

It is also widely reported and not directly refuted by Bush that he is a blithering idiot, a murderer, a puppet of Karl Rove, 100% responsible for all the black deaths in Louisiana, an extreme right wing conservative, an undercover left wing activist...and the list goes on. But one thing about Bush that both his enemies and proponents agree on is that he is plain spoken and says what he means and means what he says. So now the only way to support the lie that "Bush promised to appoint judges in the mold of Thomas and Scalia" is to say that by not directly refuting media reports "Bush is speaking in code."

To your credit, I am impressed that you actually tried to find evidence that Bush said what it is claimed he said. But the more you dig, the clearer it must be that Bush never promised to appoint judges in the mold of Thomas and Scalia. Yet, time and again I see opponents of Miers state that Bush broke exactly that promise. That is a lie. It is a made up charge. And if you have to make things up to support your argument, you need to reevaluate your argument. It is perfectly acceptable to disagree with his choice of Miers. It is not acceptable to create "facts" and "quotes" to support that disagreement.

134 posted on 10/15/2005 10:09:21 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke
"The voters will know I'll put competent judges on the bench, people who will strictly interpret the Constitution and will not use the bench to write social policy. And that's going to be a big difference between my opponent and me.

I believe that -- I believe that the judges ought not to take the place of the legislative branch of government, that they're appointed for life and that they ought to look at the Constitution as sacred. They shouldn't misuse their bench.

I don't believe in liberal, activist judges. I believe in -- I believe in strict constructionists. And those are the kind of judges I will appoint." [1st Presidential Debate, October 3, 2000; transcript CNN

Combined with The statement on Russert that Scalia is his favorite Justice (along with Thomas) would certainly lead one to believe that that was where he was headed if he ever got to make a SCOTUS nomination.

This is quite different from the examples you cite (a blithering idiot, a murderer, a puppet of Karl Rove,) in that Bush himself claimed so, not the media. If you think these situations are the same, you need to make a closer examination of your argument.

Now we also find the following:

Bush's record of appointing judges in Texas suggests he will appoint more cautious judges than constitutionalist ones, more O'Connors than Scalias. One analyst made an observation repeated elsewhere by others: "Bush;s judicial picks are not extreme... [They] don't carry an ideological flag with them to the bench." One paper quoted a University of Texas professor saying that Bush's approach "is not so focused on ideology [as] it is on reputation and ability." Tom Pauken, former chairman of the Texas Republican Party, calls Bush's appointments "a mixed bag" and says, "I would not have confidence that we might not see another David Souter on the Supreme Court in a Bush presidency." (from: http://dutyisours.com/human_events.htm)

Scary actually.

Miers is not a proveable strict constructionist. We'll even have to wait to see where Roberts goes. Bush is not following his talk. Gonzalez falls into the crony type that Bush would love to appoint. Bush needs some shots across his bow. The 'Rats would love to gain control of Congress and implement their impeachment plans. Sure hope it doesn't happen.

135 posted on 10/15/2005 3:37:23 PM PDT by Paladin2 (MSM rioted over Katrina and looted the truth)
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