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" -- Should an employer be able to require his or her employees to forswear any and all possession and ownership of firearms on pain of termination? -- "

No.. -- We made it a public policy 214 years ago that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

This constitutional restriction applies [subject, of course, to due process of law] to everyone in USA.

2 posted on 10/08/2005 12:48:51 PM PDT by faireturn
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To: faireturn
We made it a public policy 214 years ago that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
This constitutional restriction applies [subject, of course, to due process of law] to everyone in USA.

The historical record isn't even open to debate: the purpose of the Bill of Rights was to explicitly name some (but not all) rights that all persons naturally possess, and that no government has any rightful power to infringe--regardless of the "compelling state interest" that may exist, or the powers that a Constitution may grant.
However, the Bill of Rights is not a criminal statute that makes the infringement of an individual's rights a Federal crime when committed by private parties.

Nevertheless, all Fed, State, & local officials are sworn to support those rights, just as citizens are obligated by their duties of citizenship.

More importantly, the general right to property is not the same thing at all as the specific, concrete right to use and/or dispose of a particular item or resource. In other words, the right to property does not give any particular person title to any specific property--it just means that an individual has the right to acquire title to property (provided the previous owner is willing to transfer title,) and that having title to property gives the owner the right to decide how, when, where and by whome said property will be used.
Similary, the right to keep and bear arms does not mean that the government (or anyone else) has to provide you with at least one gun and one bullet, free of charge. Nor does it mean that you have the right to get or stay hired by an employer, regardless of your politics, religion, sexual orientation or gun ownership status.

Agreed. These facts are not at issue here.

You have the right to own a gun. An employer has the right to deny you employment for any reason whatsoever--or for no reason at all.

Even 'reasons' that violate our constitutional rights? I know that several State legislatures & at least the Georgia Supreme court disagree. They say that your car is personal property, and it's legal contents cannot be used as an excuse to deny you employment.

A right confers freedom of action within some defined scope or domain, but it stops where that domain ends (as defined by title or its equivalent,) or where the specific rights of others (as defined by title or its equivalent) would be violated. The key concept is title, which is necessary to define which particular items or resources are actually owned by which parties.

Exactly the point. Illegal searches are being misused by companies in order to fire otherwise law abiding employees. -- Employees who are exercising their RKBA's in their cars.

4 posted on 10/08/2005 1:32:09 PM PDT by faireturn
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To: sourcery
We made it a public policy 214 years ago that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
This constitutional restriction applies [subject, of course, to due process of law] to everyone in USA.

The historical record isn't even open to debate: the purpose of the Bill of Rights was to explicitly name some (but not all) rights that all persons naturally possess, and that no government has any rightful power to infringe--regardless of the "compelling state interest" that may exist, or the powers that a Constitution may grant.
However, the Bill of Rights is not a criminal statute that makes the infringement of an individual's rights a Federal crime when committed by private parties.

Nevertheless, all Fed, State, & local officials are sworn to support those rights, just as citizens are obligated by their duties of citizenship.

More importantly, the general right to property is not the same thing at all as the specific, concrete right to use and/or dispose of a particular item or resource. In other words, the right to property does not give any particular person title to any specific property--it just means that an individual has the right to acquire title to property (provided the previous owner is willing to transfer title,) and that having title to property gives the owner the right to decide how, when, where and by whome said property will be used.
Similary, the right to keep and bear arms does not mean that the government (or anyone else) has to provide you with at least one gun and one bullet, free of charge. Nor does it mean that you have the right to get or stay hired by an employer, regardless of your politics, religion, sexual orientation or gun ownership status.

Agreed. These facts are not at issue here.

You have the right to own a gun. An employer has the right to deny you employment for any reason whatsoever--or for no reason at all.

Even 'reasons' that violate our constitutional rights? I know that several State legislatures & at least the Georgia Supreme court disagree. They say that your car is personal property, and it's legal contents cannot be used as an excuse to deny you employment.

A right confers freedom of action within some defined scope or domain, but it stops where that domain ends (as defined by title or its equivalent,) or where the specific rights of others (as defined by title or its equivalent) would be violated. The key concept is title, which is necessary to define which particular items or resources are actually owned by which parties.

Exactly the point. Illegal searches are being misused by companies in order to fire otherwise law abiding employees. -- Employees who are exercising their RKBA's in their cars.

5 posted on 10/08/2005 1:47:31 PM PDT by faireturn
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6 posted on 10/08/2005 1:50:55 PM PDT by faireturn
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