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To Those Who Voted for Bush: Do You Get It Now?
The Crisis Paper ^ | September 6, 2005 | Bernard Weiner ==> PhD <== Co-Editor, Crisis Paper

Posted on 09/06/2005 12:12:15 PM PDT by rface

The fact that the great majority of those seeking refuge and rescue were African-American, and that no help came in the first five or six days, spoke volumes about the "compassionate conservatism" supposedly animating Bush's administration........

Here's something I don't understand. The Golden Goose was about to lay another 9/11-type Golden Egg for Bush&Co. to pick up. And they didn't.

Surely, Karl Rove, who had seen Bush's approval ratings drop to all-time lows, knew days ahead that a Category 5 Hurricane was bearing down on New Orleans and a calamitous disaster was likely to unfold there if and when the levees were unable to hold back the water. What better way to improve those ratings than for Bush to be photographed the day after the disaster struck, standing on top of debris, bullhorn in hand, vowing that the government would help Gulf Coast states rebuild from the Katrina catastrophe?

But none of that happened. They bungled their own political resurrection! Nearly a full week went by, while thousands were dying and starving or were kenneled in unbelievable filth in New Orleans. Nobody seemed to be in charge. Bush remained "on vacation" in Crawford, and traveled around to fundraisers, played golf, etc.; Condi was theatergoing and buying thousand-dollar shoes on Fifth Avenue. What was going on? Did Karl Rove not understand the significance of what was happening? Was Bush...uh..."incapacitated"? What about Cheney, "on vacation" in Wyoming; was he "incapacitated," too? Are the Bush people really that politically obtuse?

So here's the question I have for those of you who voted for Bush in 2004: Do you get it now?

BUSH GOES AWOL, AGAIN

For the past four years, progressives and moderate-conservatives have been pointing out how incompetent this Administration is. Many Bush Republicans accused us of making up such accusations for purely political reasons. Now you yourself can see what we have seen: These guys are way over their heads and haven't got a clue; they're constantly having to come back at a problem in hopes of getting it right the second or third time around. Of course, that means they're always playing catch-up, which means they're always too late. (Such as this Alice-in-Wonderland comment by Bush a week after he went AWOL -- again -- when his country needed him: "In America, we do not abandon our fellow citizens in their hour of need.")

Those at the royal Bush court lead such isolated, circumscribed lives that when a disaster strikes, they are so far removed from the circumstances in which regular people find themselves that they simply don't understand the magnitude of what's happening out there in the real-world. You may remember that Bush's first response to the Asian tsunami was silence, and then a grudging piddling amount of aid offered; it took the international community shaming him for his unfeeling miserliness before his handlers began to change Bush's tune and he finally pledged genuine aid commensurate with the enormity of the catastrophe.

Our earlier assessment of the Administration as bumblers was made mainly on the disaster that Bush&Co. made, and are still making, in the Persian Gulf. But now the whole world gets to see, up close and personal, the thorough botch they made, and are still making, in the other Gulf, in New Orleans and environs.

THE IRAQ BOTCH

In Iraq, they launched a war based on lies and deceptions, and had no plan for what should happen after the major military fighting ceased.

They turned away Iraqis from participating in the reconstruction of their own society, preferring to award the multi-billion-dollar contracts to huge American firms like Halliburton and Bechtel. They disbanded the Iraqi army, leaving hundreds of thousands of young Iraqi men unemployed and angry. They insultingly refused aid and advice from the United Nations and their former allies, wanting nobody to interfere with their Occupation. They didn't have enough troops, and the correct troops, in place to police the "post-war" phase. They didn't guard the abandoned ammo dumps, and then were surprised when those munitions were used to blow up U.S. soldiers.

They finally, a year or two late, realized that the U.S. was engaged in a guerrilla-style war against nationalist insurgents, along with some foreign jihadists, and started to change their military strategy. But it was too late, and insufficient, to make much of a dent. Now the U.S. is involved in a stalemated, Vietnam-like quagmire, and steady streams of flag-draped caskets make their way back to the U.S., and thousands and thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians continue dying as well.

And still Bush cannot bring himself to answer Cindy Sheehan's simple question: "For what noble cause did my son have to die?"

ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL

Now in 2005, a natural disaster occurred that everyone predicted -- including the government's own emergency-response specialists. Specifically, Homeland Security Department chief Michael Chertoff and FEMA's head Michael Brown were briefed on the consequences of the levees breaking days before Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans. But the Administration's response was non-existent. Or completely beyond belief: Bush actually told Diane Sawyer "I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees." Read your experts' frickin reports, man!

FEMA (the Federal Emergency Management Agency -- which Bush turned into a stripped-down, underfunded subgroup buried in the Homeland Security Department, focusing on anti-terrorism measures rather than on emergency-management -- is led by an bumbling political appointee, Brown, someone with no experience in this field, and it showed; for example, neither he nor Chertoff were aware there were thousands of refugees in the city's Convention Center until Day 5. We ordinary citizens, paying attention to the news reports, knew that three days before they did.

Brown was a buddy of one of Bush's Texas pals, with a history in show-horses. That's the man in charge of FEMA. And, believe it or not, Bush the other day thanked him publicly for doing such a "heck of a job." Oh, by the way, guess which company has been awarded the contract for reconstructing New Orleans? Yep, Cheney's Halliburton.

New Orleans mayor Ray Nagin hit the nail on the head about Bush's belated promise to send 40,000 troops into his city. "Don't tell me 40,000 people are coming here. They're not here. It's too doggone late. Now get off your asses and do something."

Tens of thousands of New Orleans residents -- those mostly too poor to have been able to evacuate the city -- were herded into mass structures like the Superdome and Convention Center, locked inside, and then no government agency provided food, water, medicine, sanitation care, removal of the dead, etc. Those who wanted to leave those horrific shelters and cross over a bridge to dry land were prohibited by armed troops from doing so.

Many of those residents complained that the thousands of citizens there were treated worse than dogs in a kennel. It was a circle out of Dante's Inferno. Indeed, so atrociously were the victims treated in those facilities that even right-wing Fox News reporters Shepard Smith and Geraldo Rivera were appalled on the air, just trying to get viewers to understand the enormity of the hell-on-earth scenes they were witnessing. Rivera was crying and screaming to "let these people walk out of here...just let them leave." (You've got to see this powerful video of Shepard and Rivera live on air -- reality-TV at its best.)

DON'T BE POOR OR POOR-AND-BLACK

The fact that the great majority of those seeking refuge and rescue were African-American, and that no help came in the first five or six days, spoke volumes about the "compassionate conservatism" supposedly animating Bush's administration. Try to imagine how fast the federal government would have mobilized to reach an upper-class compound filled with thousands of well-do-do white people, with access and influence. You get the picture.

Speaking of pictures, two comments:

1. Bush flew into New Orleans to have his picture taken for public-relations purposes. At one location, he spoke at a "food-distribution" point, which disappeared shortly after the photo-op. It was a set! Various other photo ops likewise were organized that were equally as unreal. For more, see "The Potemkin Photo Op".

2. No doubt you've seen the way two virtually identical photos of hurricane survivors were captioned in local newspapers. In one, a white man, up to his chest in water, with some groceries in his hands: "...found food at a local market." In another, same scenario, but a young black man: "...looted food from a supermarket." Both were trying to survive and bring some form of sustenance back to their children and families. One "found" food, the other "looted" food.

Interestingly, when after Baghdad fell, we saw the video pictures of Iraqis looting stores and museums and such, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld said: "Freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things". . . Looting, he added, was not uncommon for countries that experience significant social upheaval. "Stuff happens."

Now the governor of Louisiana is talking about "shoot-to-kill" orders against those who, facing starvation from a non-caring government, are taking food from abandoned, flooded-out grocery stores. And right-wing, let-them-eat-cake pundits blame the mostly black, poverty-stricken residents for "choosing" not to evacuate New Orleans, as if these cashless folks should just have jumped in their non-existent cars or boats and headed out of town. Of course, FEMA or the military could have supplied the buses and trucks and trains to take out the trapped, but apparently there were no such contingency plans and/or nobody with any brains was in charge to get the mass evacuation organized.

A REVERSE-MIDAS TOUCH

But let's move on from America's perennial, always-just-below-the-surface racism and hits-on-the-poor. The point here is that George W. Bush has a reverse Midas touch. Whatever he involves himself in as a leader winds up in FUBAR land. (If you don't know what those letters stand for, ask someone in the military: ---- Up Beyond All Recognition.)

It happened with his botched oil-company ventures at Arbusto and Harken Energy in Texas; it happened, and is happening in Iraq; and now it's happening with regard to the Katrina disaster in Louisiana.

Except this time there's no wealthy family friend, or Saudi prince, or British prime minister, to bail Bush out of his difficulties. He's out there all by his lonesome, exposed for all the world to see as the emperor with no clothes, a figurehead leader with no emotional or intellectual wherewithal to deal efficiently and correctly with anything beyond the most simple scenarios. Introduce complexity into the equation, and he's a deer in the highlights of reality.

So...what to do? While Rove&Co. ratchet up the ol' spin machine -- and try to find others to blame for their own gross delays and mistakes -- Bush's normal allies are abandoning him, right and left and right. Business Week, Washington Times, newspapers around the country, conservative pundits David Brooks and Newt Gingrich, retired military officers, and so on -- they all can't believe the idiocy and deadly cluelessness of their GOP hero.

They all realize that this incompetent, way-over-his-head guy has three more years on his contract, and he's likely to take down the economy, political structure, and everything else with him as his administration self-destructs in an unholy mess. In short, the Bush Administration is not good for business, which CEOs and others are finally starting to realize.

LEAVE OR BE PUSHED

Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld and Rice and Chertoff and the others simply have got to go, along with the other fools and criminals down there in his bunker. Bush and Cheney either must be encouraged by GOP powerbrokers to resign, or they must be impeached.

They each took a solemn oath to protect and defend the Constitution and all American citizens. They have shredded the Constitution -- in the name of "anti-terrorism," they have denuded the Bill of Rights -- and they have clearly demonstrated that they are incapable of protecting the citizenry, either in Iraq or here at home. Clear dereliction of duty.

Indeed, they have, for their own partisan purposes, revealed the identity of a covert CIA agent -- a crime that according to President George H. W. Bush is "traitorous"; indictments are expected shortly against key Bush Administration officials involved in this case. In addition, the Administration has "disappeared" American citizens into the military gulag, away from contact with lawyers or their families. This is the behavior of dictators; when it happens in African or Latin American countries, we are outraged. Folks, it's happening right here.

You and I, no matter for whom we voted in 2004, need to stop these incompetent fools from doing even more damage, and get this country back on its moral track, run by leaders who have something else on their minds other than power-hunger and take-the-money-and-run.

Bush and Cheney should resign voluntarily right now, in the best interests of the country. If they don't choose to go, it's long past time for impeachment hearings to begin and for local prosecutors and grand juries (perhaps in New Orleans parishes) to start their own investigations and indictments, and not depend solely on Congress for accountability-reckoning. That's the message that needs to go out from all of us, Democrats and Republicans, to our legislators.

I can't express it any better than Aaron Broussard, the president of New Orleans' Jefferson Parish. Here is what he had to say on Meet the Press.

"We have been abandoned by our own country. Hurricane Katrina will go down in history as one of the worst storms ever to hit an American coast. But the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina will go down as one of the worst abandonments of Americans on American soil ever in U.S. history. ? Whoever is at the top of this totem pole, that totem pole needs to be chainsawed off and we've got to start with some new leadership. It's not just Katrina that caused all these deaths in New Orleans here. Bureaucracy has committed murder here in the greater New Orleans area and bureaucracy has to stand trial before Congress now."


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To: lugsoul

Remember, also Rudy was a big name even before 9/11. Did anyone ever hear of Nagin before Katrina outside of New Orleans?


141 posted on 09/06/2005 1:35:48 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: sauropod; rface; Peach; doug from upland; RonDog
Working on Nailing this clown:

The following is simply a list of his works, to read go to the link here.....

Bernard Weiner's Internet Publications

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Bernard Weiner's Internet Publications 

(Normally posted at other websites)


Dear Reader: For archival purposes, I have divided my long list of articles in two parts. One section contains straight essay and analysis articles; the other those that are written in different styles, ranging from satire/parody to insider-peeks into the diaries of the powerful to imaginary scenarios to conversations with the GOP mole "Shallow Throat." All are chronologically listed.  Enjoy. -- BW


Humor/Satire/Fantasia

The "Diaries"/"Memos"
The "Shallow Throat" Conversations
The "Dummies"/"Primers"* Parodies
Fantasias & Parables


Essays and Analyses

 



The "Diaries"/"Memos"

Karl Rove's Diary: Escaping the Lame-Duck Trap.  (June 7, 2005)
Rove's Modest Proposal: How to Initiate a Stealth Draft.  (January 4, 2005)

Rove's Election Diary: Taking Care of the Blue People.  (November 8, 2004)
Rove's Campaign Diary: "Time for Those 'Surprises'!"  (July 13, 2004)
Inside Karl Rove's Diary: Spinning the Web of Victory  (January 13, 2004)
Inside Bush's Diary: "Things Are Spinning Out of Control!"
  (October 21, 2003) 
Inside Karl Rove's Diary:  "Things Aren't Going So Well"
  (September 2, 2003)
A Peek Inside Bush's Post-War Diary: "F Impeachment!"
 (June 16, 2003)
Paul Wolfowitz's Confidential Memo on Post-Iraq Plans -- A Satire
  (April 14, 2003)
Inside Donald Rumsfeld's Diary: Damn Powell!  Let's Roll!  (March 13, 2003)
Inside Saddam Hussein's War Diary: Hot Damn! It's Showtime!
  (January 16, 2003)
Inside Karl Rove's Election-Night Diary.  (November 6, 2002)
Saddam 's Diary: "I Don't Have to Show You No Stinkin' Anything
!"  (August 8, 2002)
Inside Bush's Diary: The Sucking Sound of Quicksand.  (July 25, 2002)
A Peek Inside Dick Cheney's Personal Diary.  (June 20, 2002)

Confidential Memo from Kenny Boy to Georgie Boy: "Welcome to the Club!"  (May 24, 2002)
A Peek Inside Colin Powell's Personal Diary. (May 3, 2002)
Another Peek Inside Osama bin Laden's Diary. (March 29, 2002)
Inside Bush's Diary: Bobbin' and Weavin' Over Enron.  (January 29, 2002)

A Peek Inside Osama bin Laden's Diary.   (January 9, 2002)
A Peek Inside Bush's Personal Diary: Notes on the War.  (November 27, 2001)


The "Shallow Throat" Conversations

"Shallow Throat:"  Wounded, Cornered Animals are Dangerous.  (June 21, 2005).
"Shallow Throat": Reports from the Slimy Bush World.  (February 22, 2005)
A Gleeful Shallow Throat Reveals "Rehnquist's Defeat-Bush Memo."  (September 6, 2004)
Shallow Throat to Kerry: Don't Torture Bush, Just Abuse Him. 
(June 23, 2004)
Shallow Throat to Dems: "One Chance, Don't Blow It"  (February 10, 2004)
"Shallow Throat" Tells How Bush Can be Defeated in 2004.  (September 30, 2003)
"Shallow Throat" Advises Democrats to Bring It On Big-Time.  (July 18, 2003)
"Shallow Throat" Returns to Tell Dems How to Take Bush Down.  (May 12, 2003)"
"Shallow Throat:" Bush & Co. Arrogance Will Lead to their Undoing
.  (December 11, 2002)
 
"Shallow Throat" Savages Dem Leaders and Reveals Bush Strategy.  (October 16, 2002)
"Shallow Throat"  Reveals Bush & Co.'s Weak Spots.  (June 9, 2002)


The "Dummies"*/"Primers" Parodies

A Current Events Primer, May-2005 Edition.  (May 17, 2005)
A Primer in Quagmires: The Iraq & Vietnam Debacles.  (January 11, 2005)
Bush's 2004 Scandals for Dummies.  (June 8, 2004)
Current Events for Dummies.  (November 18, 2003)
Us-Iraq Policy for Dummies.   (April 28, 2003)
 2002 Politics Summed Up for Dummies.  (December 19, 2002)
Bush's War on Iraq for Dummies.  (October 4, 2002)
The Bush 9/11 Scandal for Dummies  (June 1, 2002)
The Intifadeh and Israel for Dummies  (April 16, 2002)
"The Middle East for Dummies"  (March 18, 2002)

"The 'War on Terrorism' for Dummies"  (March 3, 2002)

*Editors' Note:  We recently received an email letter from John Wiley & Sons, publisher of the "...For Dummies" books, demanding that Crisis Papers stop using that title in our parodies. We have agreed to do so. We are listing the old titles here, as that is how they were published at the time both at Crisis Papers and on numerous other websites over which we have no control. John Wiley & Sons is the official holder of the trademarked title "For Dummies," and we now have so indicated on all the Weiner articles to which we have access that have used that term.


Fantasias & Parables

Flash: GOP Swept fro Power in 2006: Impeachment Looms.  (May 31).
Rumsfeld Gets Grilled at Truth & Reconciliation Hearing,  (March 22, 2005)
Probing for Answers to What Ails Us: The Incident (Fiction). (March 8. 2005)
Secret Rightwing Agenda Unearthed & The Liberal Resurgence (Fiction?) (February 15, 2005)

Bush's Inaugural Address -- After a Spritz of "B.S. Away!" (January 18, 2005)
The Great Pall & Its Fall: A Not-So-Grim Tale
.  (September 13, 2004)
Transcript of Bush/Cheney Testimony Before the 9/11 Commission -- A Satire.  (April 27, 2004)
Up, Up and "B.S. Away!" (April 13, 2004)
"B. S. Away!" -- The Miracle Truth-Spray (February 17, 2004)
How War was Averted at the Last Minute: Bush's "Victory" Speech.  (March 13, 2003)
Spot on the Johnny:  The Latest Anti-Terror Weapon.  (December 29, 2002)  
Advance Draft of Bush's Astounding 9/11-Anniversary Speech.  (August 22, 2002)
The "Alice Documents": Inside the Mideast Negotiating Room.  (April 10, 2002)
A Candid Interview With President Bush: A Fantasia of Hope.  (March 26, 2002)
The "Shallow Throat" Documents: A Pre-9/11 Scenario.  (February 21, 2002)
GOP Anger at President Gore's War Actions.  (November 15, 2001)
What Bush Should Have Said.  (October 14, 2001)
 


Essays and Analyses

2005

Twenty Things We Now Know Four Years After 9/11.  (August 30, 2005)
A Cancerous Tumor in the Body Politic: Time for Surgery  (August 16, 2005)
U.S. Leaving Iraq? -- It's Still the Politics, Stupid.  (August 3, 2005)
Rove-Plame Scandal Leading to Deeper White House Horrors?  (July 19)
A Powerful Man Glimpses His Demons.  (July 12)
Political Pot Pourri: Rove, Impeachment & The Supremes.  (July 5)
15 Things Learned About Bush&Co.: An Impeachment List.  (June 28).
Building a New "Movement": The Downing Street Memos(June 14)
Open Letter to Troops Serving in Iraq.  (May 3)
The 2006 Election Is Happening Right Now.  (April 26)
Leapfrogging from the Sahara to Germany: What Does "Progress" Mean?  (April 19)
Rove's Tricky Decoy Dump.  (March 22)
Bush to U.N.: Screw You! -- Mad Dog Bolton's Nomination. (March 15)
Bush's Weird Tour: A Letter to European Friends.  (March 1)
Taking on the American Taliban.  (February 8)
Post-Inaugural Crimes & The Progressive Posse.  (January 25)

2004

Rummy's Gotta Go -- But Will Bush Hit the Delete Button?  (December 21)
A Southeast Asia Diary: Post-Election Travels. (December 14)
Bush Heads for the Bunker.  (November 30)
To European Friends: Explaining the 2004 Election Disaster.  (November 23)

Let the Rumpus Begin! -- An Oppositional Strategy.  (November 5)
The Three Faces of Election Eve: Choose Your Future.  (November 1) 
Seismic Shifts for Both Parties on November 2.
  (October 25)
Reflections on Loss: My Mom, My Country's Soul.  (October 18)
Primer for the Undecided: Why It's Kerry.   (October 11)

The Two Historical Paths on November 2 -- Choose One.  (October 4)
Bush Rehearses for Debates: The Mysterious Transcript.  (October 27)
25 Things We Now Know, Three Years after 9/11.  (August 30)
The White House Horrors:  Why a Kerry Vote is the only Rational Option. (August 23)
Bush's AWOL Scandal: Let's Break Through the Media Barrier.  (August 9)
Letter to European Friends: America's Weird Election Dance.  (July 26)  
Learning from George & Martha: The Art of Slip-Sliding.  (July 19)
Warning: Parallels Between Germany in '33 and America Today.  (July 5) 
Bush's Torture Deceit: What "Is" Is. (June 29) 

No Other Way to Say This: Torture Memos Reveal Fascist Mentality.  (June 15)
Quicker than Viet Nam; Worse than Watergate.  (June 1)
Ellsberg's "Secrets" and Bush's War...  (May 25)
Time Out! A Pause for Longer-Range Thinking.  (May 18)
Horrid Thoughts about Horrid Leaders.  (May 4)
Bernard Weiner: Bush Scandals Are Roiling: Turn Up the Heat!  (April 6)

Bush&Co. Want Us to "Move On" -- So Why Not Take Him Up on It?  (March 16)
The America I Live In: Notes for the Campaign.  (March 2)
The Progressive Primary Dilemma: K, K or E?  (February 24)

How We Got Into This Imperial Pickle: A PNAC Primer.  (February 3)  
Robert S. McNamara, Colin Powell and "The Fog of War"  (January 27)

A Quick Pat on the Back -- Now Into the 2004 Trenches.  (January 6)

2003

My New Year's Revolutions.   (December 23)
It's Time for Plame-Case Reporters to Out the Administration Leakers!  (December 16)
East Coast/Left Coast: The Throbbing Political Pulse.  (December 2)

Handicapping the 2004 Race: Wazzup, Democrats.   (November 11)
There Is No "Road Map" to Peace, Only the Hard Road Not Taken.  (October 14)
A Heartening Visit to Texas, Home of the Original Bush Whoppers.  (September 20)
Bush's Foreign Policy: "There Must Be Some Way Out of Here"  (September 20)
America Two Years after 9/11: 25 Things We Now Know.  (August 19)  
The Past Is Present: Watergate, Vietnam & Iraq.  (August 5)  
On the Advisability of Holding One's Nose When Voting.  (July 14)
Re-Lighting the Torches of America's Soul.  (June 30)
Germany In 1933: The Easy Slide Into Fascism.  (June 9)  
How We Got Into this Imperial Pickle: A PNAC Primer.  (May 26)
Depression -- And Its Activism Antidote -- Will Lead to Bush's Downfall.  (April 7)
Anyone Detect a Familiar Odor in the Air?:  The Vietnam Connection.  (March 31)
A Vietnam-era Dad Talks to His Protesting Son.  (March 24)
Open letter to Bush: You are disgracing America: Resign or Be Impeached.  (March 20)
How to Swagger & Bully Your Way to Disaster: Bush's Foreign Adventurism.  (March 6)
Letter to the Grandkids: How Did We Get to War With Iraq?   (February 27)
Bush Knows the Jig is Up:  So Let's Hurry on to Baghdad.   (February 20)

Artistic Sign Language: Signs of the Coming Bush Fall.  (February 13)
Arrogance:  What is it Good For? Absolute Disasters!  (February 6)
The Five Fingers of Focus: Examining Bush & Co.'s Real Motives.  (January 30)

Ellsberg's 'Secrets' and Bush's War: An Intersecting History.  (January 9)

2002

Through a Glass Lightly: 10 Hopeful Cracks in the Bush Facade.  (December 5)
Open Letter to the Fledgling 'Movement'    (November 22)
The Election Results: Which News Story Would you Prefer to Read  November 6?  (October 25)

It's Crank-It-Up Time! An Urgent November 5th Call to Action.  (October 11)
An American Jew's Open Letter to Hanan Ashwari: Is Mideast Peace Still Possible?  (September 2)
The Charnel House Future: Why Bush Must Be Stopped Now.  (September 2)  
Twenty Things We've Learned Nearly One Year After 9/11.  (August 1) 
The Tarantula Tango: Despair & Hope in the Body Politic.  (July 9)
Talkin' About the F-Word (Redux).   (June 24) 
Why Is America Behaving This Way? -- A Letter to European Friends.  (May 17)
Time Out! A Pause for Longer-Range Thinking. (April 25)
An American Jew Talks About His Shame.  (April 3)
Focusing the Anger: An Open Letter to Democrats & Progressives. (February 8)
George W. and "The Vision Thing"  (January 24)
 

 


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142 posted on 09/06/2005 1:36:53 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: dfwgator
I had, but only because I was in NO for a few days during the campaign.

I had forgotten about him completely until August 27.

My point is simple, and remains the same - the task which Nagin is being faulted for failing to accomplish was far beyond the capacity of this municipal government or any other municipal government, and was far beyond anything undertaken by any municipal government.

143 posted on 09/06/2005 1:42:18 PM PDT by lugsoul ("She talks and she laughs." - Tom DeLay)
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To: lugsoul

Now, lugsoul. That's not an honest interpretation of what's being said. I do think that conservatives, and in fact most people of both parties, care about the disabled and people without resources being able to escape what was at the time a Category 5 storm.


144 posted on 09/06/2005 1:42:21 PM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Ick.


145 posted on 09/06/2005 1:43:59 PM PDT by sauropod (Polite political action is about as useful as a miniskirt in a convent -- Claire Wolfe)
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To: The G Man
I didn't get Ladanian Tomlinson in my fantasy draft.

I did. Should I blame Bush for that too? :)

146 posted on 09/06/2005 1:44:34 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("One might even go so far as to say ... he's mediocre." - Daffy Duck)
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To: lugsoul
the task which Nagin is being faulted for failing to accomplish was far beyond the capacity of this municipal government or any other municipal government, and was far beyond anything undertaken by any municipal government.

We'll just have to disagree on that. Could everyone have been saved? No, but I think the loss of life could have been much less, had the Mayor done a better job.

147 posted on 09/06/2005 1:44:56 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dynachrome

148 posted on 09/06/2005 1:51:02 PM PDT by kenth (north Georgia mountains - prayers for all our neighbors in the gulf coast.)
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To: Peach
I've heard a lot more folks say they didn't want to go than I've heard say wanted to go but didn't have a way. Heck, I've heard more people say they stayed to look after their pets than I've heard say they stayed because they had no way to leave.

That being said, I'm sure there were people who wanted to leave, but couldn't. I just don't think that is a huge percentage of those who stayed. If they got NOLA down to 100,000 people before the storm hit, that is a huge evac.

Nagin says NOLA evac'd 80%.

Mayor of Biloxi says they evac'd 25-35%.

I have yet to see a single poster accuse the Mayor of Biloxi of committing homicide, negligently or otherwise. But similar accusations against Nagin abound.

I have yet to see a single poster criticize Gov. Barbour for the fact that there was looting on the MS Gulf Coast, or the fact that people had no food or water there for days.

The only differences between the two situations are that there was a lot more (a)water and (b) people in NOLA.

149 posted on 09/06/2005 1:52:50 PM PDT by lugsoul ("She talks and she laughs." - Tom DeLay)
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To: dfwgator
Why didn't the mayors of Biloxi, Gulfport, Pass Christian, Waveland, Bay St. Louis and Ocean Springs effect a mandatory evacuation? And where are the FReepers calling for their heads?
150 posted on 09/06/2005 1:54:14 PM PDT by lugsoul ("She talks and she laughs." - Tom DeLay)
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To: rface

So if Bush is blamed for 10,000 deaths in New Orleans- does he get credit for 490,00 survivors?


151 posted on 09/06/2005 1:54:44 PM PDT by TravisBickle (Are you talking to me?)
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To: lugsoul
I have yet to see a single poster accuse the Mayor of Biloxi of committing homicide, negligently or otherwise. But similar accusations against Nagin abound.

Maybe that's because the Mayor of Biloxi hasn't blamed the Feds for his failure, and yes, the Mayor of Biloxi needs to be taken to task.

152 posted on 09/06/2005 1:55:36 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: sauropod; RonDog; doug from upland; Brad's Gramma; lugsoul; Reaganghost; rface
Just got off the phone talking to Dr. Bernard Weiner at UCLA....he IS NOT This GUY!

But he knows about the other guy....told him he ( the Weiner in San Francisco ) ... was about to get some heat....and he chuckled!

Will get my post # 136 deleted!

153 posted on 09/06/2005 1:56:16 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: All
Bernard Weiner has authored more than 150 articles and essays about the Bush Administration since 9/11/01. A Ph.D. in government & international relations, he has taught at various colleges, was a writer/editor with the San Francisco Chronicle for 19 years, and currently co-edits The Crisis Papers ( www.crisispapers.org ) .  To comment, contact crisispapers@comcast.net  .

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And he is NOT on the UCLA Faculty!

154 posted on 09/06/2005 1:58:51 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: lugsoul

I really have to run so just have a second to answer.

I think if the poor in Biloxi had wanted to go and a plan had been in effect to use buses and they weren't used, freepers would be ticked off at the mayor/Governor there as well.

I also think if the mayor/Governor in another state didn't effect his plan appropriately by at least offering the use of buses to those without resources, and then took to the public airwaves to blame the catastrophy on others - namely the feds - freepers would be equally upset.

And tens of thousands more would have likely left NO, whether they wanted to leave or not, if the evacuation was mandatory at some date prior to Sunday.


155 posted on 09/06/2005 1:59:29 PM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: lugsoul
Why didn't the mayors of Biloxi, Gulfport, Pass Christian, Waveland, Bay St. Louis and Ocean Springs effect a mandatory evacuation? And where are the FReepers calling for their heads?

We haven't heard much about their actions, but believe me, if they were negligent, their turn will come.

156 posted on 09/06/2005 2:00:16 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: jwfiv

Men who Cry.


157 posted on 09/06/2005 2:01:31 PM PDT by Serb5150 (www.illmitch.com)
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To: kenth

I knew ya was out there somewhere!


158 posted on 09/06/2005 2:01:44 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: lugsoul

And remember, the whole reason we are having this discussion is because the media is focusing solely on New Orleans, and is using it to solely place the blame on President Bush, and the DNC is piling on. Personally, I would have hoped we could have at least recovered all of the bodies before the finger-pointing started on either side, but the Democrats couldn't leave well enough alone.


159 posted on 09/06/2005 2:04:07 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: rface; Ernest_at_the_Beach

wow just wow....

I can't imagine someone actually believing this stuff. You would think that amount of hate would eat someone up at a point...


160 posted on 09/06/2005 2:20:46 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Ohio State vs. Texarse, Sept 10th)
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