What Michael Moore and Liberals Don’t (and Will Never) Understand About the Second Amendment

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[King Prout]

I started paintballing in '86 when I was 16. gave it up when I came down to fire-ant-land.

we played with little hand-cocked jobbies... the slickest thing any of us had was a "rat attack" fast-change 12gr co2 mount... "hoppers" were as yet unheard of... we made silencers out of PVC and steel-wool... stealthily stalking the prey in the woods was the height of the art - had no capacity to spray'n'pray, and there were no indoor courses or goofy inflatable barriers.

the guns have come a LONG way since last I played.
looks like if you don't have an $800 electric monster, minimum, you are gonna get your head handed to you.

[Dead Corpse]

36. Never grew up and am in a holding pattern. I've been thinking of setting up my own range for dynamic entry, shoot/no shoot, and other tactical situations using paintball guns.

I tried getting in to paintball about 6 years ago. Picked up a pump as the semi's were still unreliable at the time and even more expensive than your A-5. Completely different animals these days.

I do have a Marui MP-5K softair. All metal with a side folder and removable mag. I've fired the real deal before and the weight and balance are dead on.

[Dead Corpse]

E-bay.

Buy it now price of $300.

[Shazbot29]

Good news!

If I freak out I might also yell "The Duck flies at midnight!"

Either way, remember I am "friend" ;)

[King Prout]

I still live in fire-ant territory, dc ;)

[hiredhand]

I started paintballing in '86 when I was 16. gave it up when I came down to fire-ant-land. we played with little hand-cocked jobbies... the slickest thing any of us had was a "rat attack" fast-change 12gr co2 mount... "hoppers" were as yet unheard of... we made silencers out of PVC and steel-wool... stealthily stalking the prey in the woods was the height of the art - had no capacity to spray'n'pray, and there were no indoor courses or goofy inflatable barriers.

the guns have come a LONG way since last I played. looks like if you don't have an $800 electric monster, minimum, you are gonna get your head handed to you.

Yep. Things have changed a little since you played paintball. I don't have full auto capability on my gun, but it's VERY easy to add. There are two options for that particular gun. I'll probably stick to semi-auto. I've found that I do pretty well by staying calm, and keeping my gun on target. The kids with full auto guns who pray and spray very often LOSE to me. My saying with the kids is (I think a Tom Jefferson quote) "Youth and agility are no match against old age and treachery."

After I bought the gear, of COURSE my boys wanted in on the deal. They both had a budget of $150.00 each. One of my sons bought a fairly standard gun...a Spyder Victor-II...headgear, a spare 20oz tank and a 200 rd hopper for just under $150.00.

The other bought a Spyder "clone" which is electronic, so it has a switch for semi, 3 rd burst, or full auto. He got the gun, headgear, and a spare tank for under $150.00 too.

Speaking of silencers....BELIEVE it or NOT....it's ILLEGAL to fabricate one for a paintball gun. As stupid as it might sound, this is a fact. But that gun I posted the photo of (that looks like the M-4) has a bbl on it made by a company called "SmartParts". It's EXTREMELY quiet if you're on the receiving end. If I don't get "antsy" with the trigger, I can often take several people out of a group and never be seen...because it's very hard to hear! :-)

The prices are high (IMHO) but if you want to see a cool MILSIM paintball site, check out http://www.opsgear.com. Drill down into the site and check out the "scenario" kits for Tippmann A-5s. Like I said, they're prices are high, but it gives you an idea of what's out there. :-)

[hiredhand]

Good news!

If I freak out I might also yell "The Duck flies at midnight!"

Either way, remember I am "friend" ;)

LOL! "The Duck flies at midnight"?! Sheesh! Try saying that fast three times! ;-)

[King Prout]

I have long harbored a desire to design and build a pump-action paintball shotgun, firing 12 balls per shot, detachable magazine.

only problem: would require custom-molded sabots, which must be strong enough to withstand acceleration, but not so strong as to pose a risk to the target.

that makes life difficult.

[WillMalven]

Riiight! You mean like the Australians and British have rejected those attempts?

Canada, from my understanding has already outlawed a majority of weapons useful for self-defense.

HCI and the like, when they first became organized, did advocate total disarmament, they learned from their mistakes and so changed their tactics, but it is foolish to believe that they have changed their desires. There is no such thing as intelligent or reasonable controls on gun ownership where the LAW ABIDING American citizen is concerned.

[King Prout]

the law is what my local cops say it is ;)

really - they don't bother honest citizens over BS regulations.

[King Prout]

gotta roll for now

ttyl

[hiredhand]

36. Never grew up and am in a holding pattern. I've been thinking of setting up my own range for dynamic entry, shoot/no shoot, and other tactical situations using paintball guns.

I tried getting in to paintball about 6 years ago. Picked up a pump as the semi's were still unreliable at the time and even more expensive than your A-5. Completely different animals these days.

I do have a Marui MP-5K softair. All metal with a side folder and removable mag. I've fired the real deal before and the weight and balance are dead on.

No kidding?! The whole reason we invested in paintball gear is because we were practicing CQB with real weapons. With firearms, there's only so much you can do. You can't exactly shoot at each other. As it was, "Moms" were NOT allowed on the range! ...and they didn't want to be there either! There are six of us when we're all together.

Another problem is that you can't simply invite a "shooter" to come practice some CQB. It's a group dynamic that is built over time amongst those who practice together.

We wanted to get just a little more real, so we bought the paintball gear. It does INDEED toss a whole new dynamic into CQB! The only thing I'm critical of with my gun is that it's a few lbs light of that of the real M-4. I'm going to rectify that shortly though. :-)

AirSoft can also give a realistic CQB experience. We also practice "shoot/noshoot", tactical entry, "snipe the sentry", escape and evade, and hostage rescue. It's a blast. :-)

I've got a buddy who plays AirSoft and he told me that he's seen disputs about "hits" on the field. With paintball, it's hard to dispute a "hit". :-)

[hiredhand]

I have long harbored a desire to design and build a pump-action paintball shotgun, firing 12 balls per shot, detachable magazine.

only problem: would require custom-molded sabots, which must be strong enough to withstand acceleration, but not so strong as to pose a risk to the target.

that makes life difficult.

Hmmm...pump shotgun... I'm pretty new at paintball, but I know I've seen some pretty cool pump shotguns that shot .68 caliber paintballs. I think they also used 12 gram Co2.

OH HEY! Check this out! I was going to buy one of the RAP guns, but I would have depleted my ENTIRE budget on the gun alone...and I needed to get a gun...safety gear....and a couple of spare tanks. But have a look anyway. :-)

http://www.rap4.com/

There's a really cool video on the site somewhere. I've heard that THESE are what the Marines on board ships (guarding priority one resources) are practicing with...at least to some degree.

[hiredhand]

gotta roll for now

ttyl

Later! :-)

[Squantos]

Actually I have very "few" pics of working guns.....if ya had time to take pics ya weren't working per se......

M1A is just my choice due my prior purchases and experience, competition shooting and availablity of Magazines. Key to ones selection is that they can hit with what they brough and it goes bang every time when they need it to.

If funds were no object then 6 of every type of firearm ever made would be in my "arsenal of democracy"........:o)

I see lots of good things with the simple ruger 10-22 by the IDF by knee capping the little PLO Rock Chuckers..... Lots of things to consider but a little .22 Long Rifle goes a long way when one is up to their hips in trouble.

[recce guy]

The only thing you can't really own in Canada anymore is assault weapons. Hand guns, rifles and shotguns are of course still legal. Based on the amount of money wasted by our government on a useless piece of legislation they would be very hard pressed to get authorization to set up any more programs with the word "gun" in them. Everyone I have talked to is absolutely sick over the last fiasco. Especially considering what's happening in Toronto now.....proof that gun control doesn't stop criminals.

I can't even imagine what it would cost the US if they tried a similar scheme on a population that is 10 times the size of ours. BILLIONS.

[Nebr FAL owner]

Make no mistake the politicians & hangers on of gun control crowd want gun prohibition but they understand that if they come right out & say it they won't get anywhere. So trying to split hairs as to whether he (Michigan's version of Moby Dick) is a gun prohibitionist or just a "gun control" advocate.

[Nebr FAL owner]

Read their own press releases, listen to them when they make speeches . They view you as a mouth breathing knuckle dragging lout potential rapist/murderer/bank robber/terrorist. These people view those who disagree with them as evil incarnate, they are also hipocrites. As an example Ted Kennedy who has private goon squad's armed with firearms that are unlicensed escorting him around the country while as far as he is concerned you a wretched peasant should not be allowed to do anything but to call govt."dial-a-prayer" known as the 911 call center.

[hiredhand]

Also...WRT .22LR...I discovered a couple of summers ago that you can get just about 24,000 rounds in a 20MM can. :-) Not that you'd want to lug it around, but a person can carry a LOT of .22LR. :-)

[Squantos]

Quite the behive potential indeed !