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To: VadeRetro
Then why are people posting fossil sequences and purporting to prove evolution? By your own admission it's uncertain and inexact.
Because many people are less clue-resistant than yourself and the display you are making will not convince anyone who gets it better than you do.

I'm not making a display. I'm asking genuine questions and generally getting insulted for asking them. Trying to pin down the evolutionary arguments presented is like trying to squeeze jello. Transitional fossils shown to prove evolution may not actually be transitional fossils, but are presented to show that transistions in evolution exist. Does that sound weird to anyone else?

The Tap-Dancer then declares fossil series evidence to be irrelevant. How do we know ... various things? The dates of the fossils? Whether fossil A lies exactly on the ancestral line of fossil B?

I'm serious here. For the life of me I can't figure out why actual dates seem like an afterthought to evolution. Now I find out that it's not important because things may devolve, and not evolve, so dates mean nothing. Is that about the argument?

209 posted on 08/23/2005 8:12:19 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
I'm not making a display. I'm asking genuine questions and generally getting insulted for asking them. Trying to pin down the evolutionary arguments presented is like trying to squeeze jello.

Let me remind the lurkers that you are waving your alleged inability to get evolutionary arguments as a wave-away for post 661 by Ichneumon. Your introductory statement: "Ichneumons stunning post on transitionals is deeply flawed."

Out of all that post, you have myopically focussed upon the supposed deep flaw represented by Caudipteryx being later than Archaeopteryx, together with Feduccia's rather eccentric theories.

Your concerns on that point have been addressed directly. You don't have a valid point. But even if the anomaly was real, it wouldn't explain anything about why we have parallel evidence for reptiles becoming mammals, or land animals becoming whales, or fish eventually becoming elephants, and why molecular evidence points to the same phylogenetic relationships we get from morphology and the fossil record. The inadequacy of your mumbles in the post to which I responded needs no further comment from me.

One last point on the lameness of citing Feduccia.

Picking and choosing authorities

In advertisements for movies, it is usually taken for granted that the studios only quote positive reviews. This kind of Madison Avenue tactic is not a legitimate means of establishing the nature of reality. One cannot just pick the expert whose opinion is convenient for the point one is trying to make while ignoring credible expert opinion to the contrary. This is especially the case when the quoted authority is in the minority among his fellow experts. There might be a very good reason why the authority's views are in the minority. If a writer argues by hand-picking only the experts convenient to him, then that writer has committed the "argument from authority" fallacy. Antievolutionists do this routinely.

Quotations and Misquotations: Why What Antievolutionists Quote is Not Valid Evidence Against Evolution
249 posted on 08/24/2005 8:09:52 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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