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9-11 Commission : Like the Energizer Bunny? (The show goes on, Part Deux)
US Politics/About.com ^ | 6-8-05

Posted on 08/18/2005 4:25:01 PM PDT by STARWISE

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To: STARWISE

I hadn't heard that Gorelick would be in a PBS series on terror, Starwise, but if I hear anything, I'll be sure to freepmail you.


21 posted on 08/18/2005 6:02:56 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: STARWISE

:-)


22 posted on 08/18/2005 6:06:41 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: STARWISE
I think it was done by an out-of-work comedy writer
LOL.........

Stop and think about it a minute, weren't most of the things the commission suggested in their report already in place, put there by GW shortly after the attack on 9/11. The President asked for and got the Patriot Act which tore down the Gorelick wall; as a matter of fact I can't think of a thing the commission did except try to pin all fault on the Bush administration...correct me if I am wrong, but I do believe I am right.

23 posted on 08/18/2005 6:08:10 PM PDT by yoe
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To: STARWISE

Your Post:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1461080/posts


24 posted on 08/18/2005 6:08:30 PM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and Friends, the rest can go to hell.)
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To: fantom
well- when the news gets out , this bunch will go from laughable to absurd.

Here's hoping........

25 posted on 08/18/2005 6:42:21 PM PDT by beyond the sea ("If you think it's hard to meet new people, try picking up the wrong golf ball." - Jack Lemmon)
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To: dubyaismypresident
And I would like to see all ten of you put under oath and hopefully most of you jailed.

Yes..... and see post # 5.

;-)

26 posted on 08/18/2005 6:44:25 PM PDT by beyond the sea ("If you think it's hard to meet new people, try picking up the wrong golf ball." - Jack Lemmon)
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To: Miss Marple; STARWISE
Kean grinning like a fool as Jamie Gorelick batted her eyelashes at him.

Do snakes have eyelashes?

27 posted on 08/18/2005 6:45:45 PM PDT by beyond the sea ("If you think it's hard to meet new people, try picking up the wrong golf ball." - Jack Lemmon)
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To: beyond the sea
Yes..... and see post # 5.

Truth serum? Fine. I'd put panties on their heads ala Abu Grahib if that's what it takes.

28 posted on 08/18/2005 6:47:25 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (The constitution is not in exile, it's in a nice safe deposit box in the Cayman Islands - Lileks)
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To: STARWISE

I expect a big campaign to salvage the Commission's reputation. Here's hoping there are more revelations.


29 posted on 08/18/2005 6:57:26 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: Baynative

Great. Then let's have an investigation into the Commission members.


30 posted on 08/18/2005 6:58:37 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: STARWISE

Gorelick doesn't know anything about intelligence collecting or stopping terrorism. That much is obvious. If these are our "experts", we are in serious, serious trouble.


31 posted on 08/18/2005 7:00:44 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: beyond the sea

If I was Kean, I would get out of Washington. Washington treated him like a chump, and he's now become a chump.


32 posted on 08/18/2005 7:03:15 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: popdonnelly
If these are our "experts", we are in serious, serious trouble.

we are

33 posted on 08/18/2005 7:08:11 PM PDT by beyond the sea ("If you think it's hard to meet new people, try picking up the wrong golf ball." - Jack Lemmon)
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To: SeaBiscuit; Enchante; backhoe; Southack; Mo1; Peach; nopardons; Miss Marple; Howlin; MJY1288; ...
THANK YOU SO MUCH! GRRRR .. I coulda gone back 20 pages of posts and found it, but I just knew I could locate it. I even went to the WNET website 'cause I thought that's who I remember did it, but it's not there that I could find.

NOTE FOR SEPT. 12 AND SEPT. 19

LIFE IN THE BALANCE - PBS - 9/12 and 9/19/05

"IN THE BALANCE, a two-part series from Fred Friendly Seminars examining the political, economic, health and safety issues posed by a terrorist threat. The programs will air on PBS in September - National Preparedness Month.

IN THE BALANCE: BIOATTACK premieres Monday, Sept. 12, 2005 at 10 p.m. and IN THE BALANCE: CITY UNDER SIEGE premieres Monday, Sept. 19, 2005 at 10 p.m. (check local listings).

IN THE BALANCE brings together powerful people who put their values to the test and reveal what they might do when everything hangs 'in the balance.' The unscripted and unrehearsed programs confront people representing different levels of authority and areas of responsibility with riveting scenarios. IN THE BALANCE: BIOATTACK dramatizes a biological attack and IN THE BALANCE: CITY UNDER SIEGE asks participants to deal with a credible rumor of a dirty bomb arriving in a harbor on the Fourth of July.

"The scenarios presented may be hypothetical, but the dilemmas and decisions are real," said Barbara Margolis, series producer. "Each decision has consequences - often contradictory ones - for public safety, for law enforcement, for constitutional rights, for the lives of citizens. The series is designed to spur thoughtful, intelligent and informed discussion on preparedness across the country."

The first program in the series, IN THE BALANCE: BIOATTACK dramatizes a threatened attack intended for a major shopping mall. Moderated by Cynthia McFadden of ABC News, the panel explores the kinds of choices that the media, public officials, health care workers, law enforcement, and citizens may all have to confront in the case of a biological attack. Participants face tough, wrenching questions: Who is in charge of the response? What is more important - the public's right to know, or the government's need to keep operations secret in the interests of national security? Who gets treated first if there's been exposure to a biological agent? Are there enough antibiotics for everyone?

Panelists for IN THE BALANCE: BIOATTACK include Richard Clarke, former senior White House advisor and author, Against All Enemies; Martin O'Malley, mayor of Baltimore; Frank Sesno, CNN Special Correspondent; Congressman Charles B. Rangel, D-NY; Dale Watson, former executive assistant director for Counter-Terrorism and Counter-Intelligence, Federal Bureau of Investigation; James Gilmore, former governor of Virginia; Charles Ramsey, District of Columbia Chief of Police; Susan Allan, M.D., public health director for the state of Oregon and former public health director for Arlington County, Virginia, during the anthrax attacks; and Warren Rudman, former New Hampshire Senator.

N THE BALANCE: CITY UNDER SIEGE moderator and Harvard Law School professor Charles Ogletree navigates panelists through another frightening but entirely credible 'what-if' scenario. With reliable information about a dirty bomb coming into a harbor on the Fourth of July, what steps should be taken? Should the ports be shut down? Would that thwart the plan or just direct it to a different target? How disruptive would it be to the local economy? And, once a suspect is in custody, how far should law enforcement be allowed to go to elicit information? Is torture ever a justifiable or effective option?

Panelists for IN THE BALANCE: CITY UNDER SIEGE include Clarke, Watson and Rudman, along with Dana Priest, national security reporter for the Washington Post; Ahmed Younis, national director, Muslim Public Affairs Council; Frank Keating, former Governor of Oklahoma who held that post during the Oklahoma City bombings; Jamie Gorelick, former deputy attorney general of the United States; and Nadine Strossen, president of the American Civil Liberties Union, among others.

The IN THE BALANCE programs will be the centerpiece of an ongoing community engagement effort designed to expand public awareness about family, workplace and community public safety preparedness. Additional resources, including a discussion guide and educational materials, will be available at www.pbs.org/inthebalance/terrorism.

34 posted on 08/18/2005 7:21:27 PM PDT by STARWISE (GITMO IS TOO GOOD FOR THESE TRAITORS -- SEND THEM ALL TO EGYPT FOR QUESTIONING.)
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To: STARWISE

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0408/S00012.htm

I know nothing about this web site or Sibel Edmonds but she is FBI. Thought someone should take a look at what she has to say to the commission.


35 posted on 08/18/2005 7:36:47 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: STARWISE

Clark, Rangel, Gorelick and Dana Priest? Oh, no. I'm am definitely going to pass on that one.


36 posted on 08/18/2005 7:38:40 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: STARWISE

What Peach said, AND Nadine Strossen ACLU President ..UGH, why don't they just include bin laden to the panel as well.


37 posted on 08/18/2005 8:01:35 PM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and Friends, the rest can go to hell.)
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To: BARLF; backhoe; Southack; Miss Marple; Howlin; MJY1288; ravingnutter; cyncooper; Mo1; Peach; ...
WOW!! That's A BOMB!!.. whew!! PING to this excerpt:

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"Unfortunately, I find your report seriously flawed in its failure to address serious intelligence issues that I am aware of, which have been confirmed, and which as a witness to the commission, I made you aware of. Thus, I must assume that other serious issues that I am not aware of were in the same manner omitted from your report. These omissions cast doubt on the validity of your report and therefore on its conclusions and recommendations.

Considering what is at stake, our national security, we are entitled to demand answers to unanswered questions, and to ask for clarification of issues that were ignored and/or omitted from the report.

I, Sibel Edmonds, a concerned American Citizen, a former FBI translator, a whistleblower, a witness for a United States Congressional investigation, a witness and a plaintiff for the Department of Justice Inspector General investigation, and a witness for your own 9/11 Commission investigation, request your answers to, and your public acknowledgement of, the following questions and issues:

(SNIP)

Melek Can Dickerson, a Turkish Translator, was hired by the FBI after September 11, and was placed in charge of translating the most sensitive information related to terrorists and criminals under the Bureau’s investigation. Melek Can Dickerson was granted Top Secret Clearance, which can be granted only after conducting a thorough background investigation.

Melek Can Dickerson used to work for a semi-legit organizations that were the FBI’s targets of investigation. Melek Can Dickerson had on going relationships with two individuals who were FBI’s targets of investigation. For months Melek Can Dickerson blocked all-important information related to these semi-legit organizations and the individuals she and her husband associated with. She stamped hundreds, if not thousands, of documents related to these targets as ‘ Not Pertinent.’ Melek Can Dickerson attempted to prevent others from translating these documents important to the FBI’s investigations and our fight against terrorism.

Melek Can Dickerson, with the assistance of her direct supervisor, Mike Feghali, took hundreds of pages of top-secret sensitive intelligence documents outside the FBI to unknown recipients. Melek Can Dickerson, with the assistance of her direct supervisor, forged signatures on top-secret documents related to certain 9/11 detainees. After all these incidents were confirmed and reported to FBI management, Melek Can Dickerson was allowed to remain in her position, to continue the translation of sensitive intelligence received by the FBI, and to maintain her Top Secret clearance.

Apparently bureaucratic mid-level FBI management and administrators decided that it would not look good for the Bureau if this security breach and espionage case was investigated and made public, especially after going through Robert Hanssen’s case (FBI spy scandal). This case (Melek Can Dickerson) was confirmed by the Senate Judiciary Committee ( Please refer to Senator Leahy and Grassley’s letters dated June 19 and August 13, 2002, and Senator Grassley’s statement on CBS-60 Minutes in October 2002, provided to your investigators in January-February 2004).

This Dickerson incident received major coverage by the press (Please refer to media background provided to your investigators in January-February 2004). According to Director Mueller, the Inspector General criticized the FBI for failing to adequately pursue this espionage report regarding Melek Can Dickerson ( Please refer to DOJ-IG report Re: Sibel Edmonds and FBI Translation, provided to you prior to the completion of your report). I provided your investigators with a detailed and specific account of this issue, the names of other witnesses willing to corroborate this, and additional documents. ( Please refer to tape-recorded 3.5 hours testimony by Sibel Edmonds, provided to your investigators on February 11, 2004).

Today, more than two years since the Dickerson incident was reported to the FBI, and more than two years since this information was confirmed by the United States Congress and reported by the press, these administrators in charge of FBI personnel security and language departments in the FBI remain in their positions and in charge of translation quality and translation departments’ security.

Melek Can Dickerson and several FBI targets of investigation hastily left the United States in 2002, and the case still remains uninvestigated criminally. Not only does the supervisor facilitating these criminal conducts remain in a supervisory position, he has been promoted to supervising Arabic language units of the FBI’s Counterterrorism and Counterintelligence investigations.

Your report has omitted these significant incidents, has foregone any accountability what so ever, and your recommendations have refrained from addressing this serious information security breach and highly likely espionage issue. This issue needs to be investigated and criminally prosecuted. The translation of our intelligence is being entrusted to individuals with loyalties to our enemies. Important ‘chit-chats’ and ‘chatters’ are being intentionally blocked. Why did your report choose to exclude this information and these serious issues despite the evidence and briefings you received? How can budget increases address and resolve this misconduct by mid-level bureaucratic management? How can the addition of a new bureaucratic layer, “Intelligence Czar”, in its cocoon removed from the action lines, address and resolve this problem?

Over three years ago, more than four months prior to the September 11 terrorist attacks, in April 2001, a long-term FBI informant/asset who had been providing the bureau with information since 1990, provided two FBI agents and a translator with specific information regarding a terrorist attack being planned by Osama Bin Laden.

This asset/informant was previously a high-level intelligence officer in Iran in charge of intelligence from Afghanistan. Through his contacts in Afghanistan he received information that: 1) Osama Bin Laden was planning a major terrorist attack in the United States targeting 4-5 major cities, 2) the attack was going to involve airplanes, 3) some of the individuals in charge of carrying out this attack were already in place in the United States, 4) the attack was going to be carried out soon, in a few months.

The agents who received this information reported it to their superior, Special Agent in Charge of Counterterrorism, Thomas Frields, at the FBI Washington Field Office, by filing “302” forms, and the translator translated and documented this information. No action was taken by the Special Agent in Charge, and after 9/11 the agents and the translators were told to ‘keep quiet’ regarding this issue. The translator who was present during the session with the FBI informant, Mr. Behrooz Sarshar, reported this incident to Director Mueller in writing, and later to the Department of Justice Inspector General.

The press reported this incident, and in fact the report in the Chicago Tribune on July 21, 2004 stated that FBI officials had confirmed that this information was received in April 2001, and further, the Chicago Tribune quoted an aide to Director Mueller that he (Mueller) was surprised that the Commission never raised this particular issue with him during the hearing ( Please refer to Chicago Tribune article, dated July 21, 2004). Mr. Sarshar reported this issue to your investigators on February 12, 2004, and provided them with specific dates, location, witness names, and the contact information for that particular Iranian asset and the two special agents who received the information. ( Please refer to the tape-recorded testimony provided to your investigators during a 2.5 hours testimony by Mr. Sarshar on February 12, 2004).

I provided your investigators with a detailed and specific account of this issue, the names of other witnesses, and documents I had seen. ( Please refer to tape-recorded 3.5 hours testimony by Sibel Edmonds, provided to your investigators on February 11, 2004). Mr. Sarshar also provided the Department of Justice Inspector General with specific information regarding this issue ( Please refer to DOJ-IG report Re: Sibel Edmonds and FBI Translation, provided to you prior to the completion of your report).

After almost three years since September 11, many officials still refuse to admit to having specific information regarding the terrorists’ plans to attack the United States. The Phoenix Memo, received months prior to the 9/11 attacks, specifically warned FBI HQ of pilot training and their possible link to terrorist activities against the United States.

Four months prior to the terrorist attacks the Iranian asset provided the FBI with specific information regarding the ‘ use of airplanes’, ‘major US cities as targets’, and ‘Osama Bin Laden issuing the order.’ Coleen Rowley likewise reported that specific information had been provided to FBI HQ. All this information went to the same place: FBI Headquarters in Washington, DC, and the FBI Washington Field Office, in Washington DC. Yet, your report claims that not having a central place where all intelligence could be gathered as one of the main factors in our intelligence failure.

Why did your report choose to exclude the information regarding the Iranian asset and Behrooz Sarshar from its timeline of missed opportunities? Why was this significant incident not mentioned; despite the public confirmation by the FBI, witnesses provided to your investigators, and briefings you received directly?

Why did you surprise even Director Mueller by refraining from asking him questions regarding this significant incident and lapse during your hearing ( Please remember that you ran out of questions during your hearings with Director Mueller and AG John Ashcroft, so please do not cite a ‘time limit’ excuse)? How can budget increases address and resolve these problems and failure to follow up by mid-level bureaucratic management at FBI Headquarters? How can the addition of a new bureaucratic layer, “ Intelligence Czar”, in its cocoon removed from the action lines, address and resolve this problem?

Much more at link

Open Letter To Thomas Kean – Chairman Of The 9/11 Commission - From FBI Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds - August 1, 2004

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Wikipedia - Sibel Edmonds

Sibel Dinez Edmonds, a Turkish-American, was "hired as a translator by the FBI shortly after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 because of her knowledge of Middle Eastern languages. She was fired less than a year later in March 2002 for reporting shoddy work and security breaches to her supervisors that could have prevented those attacks." [1] (http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=17359&c=206)[2] (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/25/60minutes/main526954.shtml) "On January 14, 2004, the Justice Department's Office unclassified summary of the Justice Department's Inspector General's report on Edmonds found that many of her claims 'were supported, that the FBI did not take them seriously enough, and that her allegations were, in fact, the most significant factor in the FBI's decision to terminate her services.'" [3]

Sibel Edmonds' Website


38 posted on 08/18/2005 8:26:48 PM PDT by STARWISE (GITMO IS TOO GOOD FOR THESE TRAITORS -- SEND THEM ALL TO EGYPT FOR QUESTIONING.)
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To: STARWISE

BUMP!


39 posted on 08/18/2005 8:50:41 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: STARWISE

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040712-121949-4162r.htm

Jerry Seper article,"Senators press for release of FBI terrorist report."


40 posted on 08/18/2005 8:51:51 PM PDT by BARLF
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