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To: r9etb; ClearBlueSky

"This is not to deny the obvious fact that our terrorist enemies are almost uniformly Islamic. But to make the leap that all Muslims are therefore terrorists is not even close to justifiable. Sorry, but I'd rather leave that form of bigotry to folks like David Duke."

And to ignore islamic teachings is to fall into the ineffective hand wringing camp of a Neville Chamberlain. islam teaches there are no innocents. All infidels are targets, because all infidels are combatants.
In any war, all members of the enemy are not violent, or evil. There were Germans who were good kind people. Same for the Japanese.
So, we shouldn't have fought them, because there were good members of their society?
Your kind of logic is what allowed the holocaust to happen. You need to reexamine your "bigotry" rhetoric and look at reality.


181 posted on 08/09/2005 12:01:09 PM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: brownsfan
The muslim groups inside of our country have stated on numerous occasions they want for our country to be named..the United States of Islam. Let the appeasers and apologist chew on that for a bit.

It's come down to them or us because PC has allowed them to use our free speech against us and for their own propaganda.

186 posted on 08/09/2005 12:05:20 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: brownsfan

I guess we two are bigots,then?
Well- as a female I'd prefer bigotry to a burkha- and it does come down to that.
We're talking to people here who INSIST on separating individual Muslims from the core and commands of Islam. Those 'good Muslims' themselves refuse to do that!
REGARDLESS of what diplomacy dictates, this IS a war against Islam. Without Islam there is no war- it is the engine driving terrorism- the Koran is the guidebook. It's the inability- or refusal- to accept that that is at the core of PERSONAL ATTACKS( against the board rules, BTW) of bigotry.
I wear a crucifix- and I expect people to profile me by what that implies- they have a right to assume certain things about me because of that symbol. I know Muslims will hate me because of it- and I want them to know what I am.
A cross- you're Christian, a crucifix- you're Catholic, a Star of David, you're Jewish, etc, etc. A DNC card, you're a Democrat- and don't we consider that a bad word here?
So it's ok to revile Democrats for their political beliefs and liberalism( which hurts society) but not OK to profile Muslims the same way? At least all Democrats don't worship a book by the DNC that says all non-Democrats should die!
The headrags, the mosques, the weird yodeling with their asses in the air, all say ISLAM- and the LAWS of Islam say it must rule all; that I must submit or die.
IMAGINE! I take personal offense at that! I feel threatened, silly of me to have such an overdeveloped sense of self-preservation.
But about that word 'bigot' again. It doesn't bother me- like Muslims, I define things my own way-and 'bigot' to me means prejudiced- and that is a good thing!

If I were black and I saw a white robed and hooded man walking down the street- would I have the right to feel threatened? His outward appearance says ' Klan', and its telling me he believes in that ideaology. The Klan brutally murdered blacks. Did he, personally? Should I care and assume he likes me just fine? He knows what the world thinks of the Klan- and especially what blacks think of it- when he wears the white hood. The history is established and he is outwardly identifying with it. Same with that moron, Duke. HIS followers are forever vilified ( rightfully) for identifying with him- why not Mohammeds?
Do we demand black people be alright with the existence of Klansmen as long as they don't personally attack them? Do we expect Jews to accept Nazi skinheads just because they don't, personally, have any large ovens?
But Muslims MUST be exempt from this reasoning, according to some. Why SHOULDN'T Muslims be judged by what they believe? Everyone else is.

If you identify with Evil- I WILL JUDGE YOU as evil. Live by the death-cult, be judged by the death-cult!
You have my support, brownsfan!


218 posted on 08/09/2005 12:38:27 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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