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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: King Prout

Well, the one sister who COULD (FReeper) is a little upset with me, and the one is isn't TOO upset with me isn't a FReeper. My brothers are on only long enough to send me spam.

:o|


4,281 posted on 08/20/2005 1:15:48 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Monkey Face
I'm fine. Tired but fine. I wish my landlord would go on vacation. I need the rest.;)

Too much spunk in one family can cause a lot of noise! Fortunately we all hold "like" opinions.

Remind me to be your friend forever! LOL!

You're part of the family. Can't get rid of us. Not allowed!

4,282 posted on 08/20/2005 1:15:56 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: King Prout; DJ MacWoW

http://members.home.nl/joran/hypnotoad.gif

Link to a small one, 100 x 100.


Found others.. but they're on sites that like to swap images.
*grrr*



DJ is my mom.


4,283 posted on 08/20/2005 1:17:21 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: Darksheare

Welp, I'll tell you what I told him...having McCain in his tagline is not likely to win FRiends and influence people. Or something like that.

He's a piece of "work."


4,284 posted on 08/20/2005 1:17:43 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Monkey Face
since I collect froggy-type things...

I told you we're family. Darkchylde collects frogs.

4,285 posted on 08/20/2005 1:18:27 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Monkey Face

Yeah, he didn't seem to want to hear that last night.


4,286 posted on 08/20/2005 1:19:14 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: tuliptree76

My daughter will contact me about twice a month, if she needs something.

My son is not quite as bad, but he uses his PC time to find a GIRL, of all things! Sheesh!


4,287 posted on 08/20/2005 1:20:39 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Darksheare; DJ MacWoW

dang... it isn't an animated gif... with the SOUND...

***

hah! I *did* forget something! Sorry, Mom of Darkses!


4,288 posted on 08/20/2005 1:20:44 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: Monkey Face
but he uses his PC time to find a GIRL, of all things!

He could spend 2 minutes of that time notifying us of any problems. At least he knows how to use a computer.

4,289 posted on 08/20/2005 1:22:26 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: Darksheare
no sound, but...


4,290 posted on 08/20/2005 1:23:29 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: King Prout; DJ MacWoW

My sis has the animated gif, but not the sound.
*hmm*


We're thinking you have an excuse to forget stuff.
Computer trouble is usually enough to make anyone babble aphasia and bludgeon things with the keyboard, and being sick at the same time will tend to make things difficult.

Not to mention the typo virus 'helping'.


4,291 posted on 08/20/2005 1:24:12 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: King Prout; Darksheare

I'm grateful to be forgetable! It makes life quieter.


4,292 posted on 08/20/2005 1:24:45 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: King Prout

LOL, That was a cool episode..


4,293 posted on 08/20/2005 1:26:33 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

"...You're part of the family. Can't get rid of us. Not allowed!"

Awwww *wiping tears away* That's sweet! Thanks! It means a lot to me. I always wanted to be wierd! I feel almost like Steve Martin in "The Jerk!" "The new phonebooks are here! The new phonebooks are here!"

I BELONG!!! *snif-snif*


4,294 posted on 08/20/2005 1:27:25 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg
HEY:

figger'd you'd want this

4,295 posted on 08/20/2005 1:28:58 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg
and this:


4,296 posted on 08/20/2005 1:30:43 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: Darksheare; All; yall

yeah, well... I'm still easily tired. time for a nap.

see y'all


4,297 posted on 08/20/2005 1:31:42 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

WHOA!!!!

KEWL!
Thanks again!

Yippee! *doing a little dance here*


4,298 posted on 08/20/2005 1:32:26 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: tuliptree76

I'll send him an email to that effect...unless he calls today so I can talk to my grandson...


4,299 posted on 08/20/2005 1:34:18 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: King Prout

Laters.
Get well soon.


4,300 posted on 08/20/2005 1:34:43 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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