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When The Ties That Bind Become Shackles - (how Wahhabism developed into current bloodlust rampage)
OPINION EDITORIALS.COM ^ | JULY 27, 2005 | R.V. TUCKER

Posted on 07/28/2005 6:03:56 PM PDT by CHARLITE

Muhammad Al-Sheikh put things in proper perspective when he wrote a column in the Saudi daily Al-Jazirah entitled ‘Thank you America’ in which he reminded the Saudis of a history with the United States that spans six decades. It was the late King Abdul Aziz (founder of modern Saudi Arabia) who chose to allow Americans to come to the Saudi Kingdom in search of oil. Aziz was also responsible for choosing capitalism over communism after WWII, allowing a country with nothing to grow enormously wealthy and powerful. Muhammad Al-Sheikh writes, “We must admit that our relations with America were the cornerstone for our development and progress. In return, we must ask what we have gained from our relations with the Arab world. Speaking frankly and unequivocally, all we got from them was trouble. Our brothers, as they call themselves, conspired against us, attacked us, and used all the means at their disposal to derail our plans for unity.”

In the 18th century Mohammed ibn Saud (local chieftain) formed an alliance with a sect of Wahhab fundamentalists. Together over the next 200 years they conquered much of the Arabian Peninsula including the Islamic holy cities of Mecca and Medina. Wahhabism is based on a very strict interpretation of the Koran and from what we understand today there has been violence for centuries between the different religious sects of Islam which is contrary to Bin Laden’s claims among others that Islam is a perfect, pure and peaceful religion.

If I understand correctly it was that rivalry between sects that threatened the Saudi Kingdom’s leadership of the Muslim world. The Iranian revolution and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in the 1970’s combined with a brief takeover of the Grand Mosque in Mecca left the Saudis shaken and fearful that Iranian radicals would assert their own leadership in the Muslim world. And so, ‘the mother of all propaganda campaigns began.’ (The Saudi Connection by David E.Kaplan)

According to a Washington think tank (Center for Security Policy) the Saudis have spent over $75 billion from 1975 to last year on overseas aid; two thirds of which went to building Mosques, religious schools and Wahhabi religious centers around the world. Last year the Saudi weekly Ain Al-Yaqeen listed 1,500 mosques, 210 Islamic centers, 202 colleges and nearly 2,000 schools in non-Muslim countries. It’s estimated that the Saudis have invested some $600 billion in American banks and stock markets.

For at least 25 years fundamentalist Wahhabism has gone unchallenged even by the more moderate Imams, it has been allowed to fester and grow like a cancer, spreading its diseased infected form of twisted hatred for not only other Islamic sects but the entire non-Muslim world and Arab governments that it feels are too secular. Just as much of the non-Muslim world ignored the implications of terrorism in the 90’s, the Saudi government ignored its own culpability in ‘laying the ground work’ that is, until the attacks turned ‘inward.’ A July 10, 2001 article by Larry C. Johnson (former State Department counterterrorism specialist) depicts the overall U.S. view before 9/11. http://afghanlaw.de/The%20Declining%20Terrorist%20Threat.htm

We can analyze terrorism for the next hundred years but to have real insight one only has to listen to and read the words of Imams and Clerics. They make it crystal clear, one world religion, one world flag and one world order! Yes, it’s about ‘oil’, those who have it, those who need it and those who want control of it but oil is just one component in the overall master-plan. Yes, they want all foreigners out of the Middle East; they want complete and total control of the oil, the land and the people; they want to enforce Sharia law and they want all Jews destroyed. Do we give them what they want?

I will not forget the elation and laughter displayed by Bin Laden as the twin towers came tumbling down and the death toll rose far beyond his expectations; what he didn’t expect was that with every attack, and every death we get deeper inside the mind of his madness, he didn’t expect that millions of Muslims would turn against him and toward democracy. He didn’t expect that Islam itself would be under a microscope.

Much of the world is bound together by a need for oil, free trade and probably other ways I know nothing about and now we are becoming bound by a mutual need to protect ourselves from a common enemy. I wonder if Osama is laughing today.

Comments: saltynsixty@yahoo.com


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KEYWORDS: arabian; branches; conflict; feuding; houseofsaud; islam; peninsula; saudiarabia; sects; wahhabism; warring

1 posted on 07/28/2005 6:03:58 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: backhoe; Stopislamnow; Fred Nerks; canalabamian; Leapfrog; Critical Bill; ThreePuttinDude; ...
Islam ping.

Char

2 posted on 07/28/2005 6:05:10 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: CHARLITE

Of course Binny Boy is still full of joy. His mental processes where taken over by his Wahaabi teacher. His world is driven by all the verses in the Qu'ran and supporting writtings of the Hadiths and other books that point to the Sunnah (path, way of life), and sees Islam in his particular version of pure form, being the answer. And he knows when he is gone, others will fill his shoes and continue their military Jihad in the name of allah. Same goes with his buddy Abu Musab al Zarqawi. They are driven, and have no options, and no flexibiilty. The Z-man proves that daily as he orders innocent muslims to be blown up.


3 posted on 07/28/2005 6:30:28 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: CHARLITE

GET RID OF THE IMPORTED WAHHABI CLERICS! CLOSE THE WAHHABI SUPPLIED BOOKSHOPS! GET RID OF CAIR, A WAHHABI FUNDED TERRORIST ORGANISATION!


http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2384

SAUDI VENOM IN US MOSQUES (SNIP)



The picture of Saudi activities in the United States is not a pretty one.

Freedom House's Muslim volunteers went to 15 prominent mosques from New York to San Diego and collected more than 200 books and other publications disseminated by Saudi Arabia (some 90% in Arabic) in mosque libraries, publication racks, and bookstores.

What they found can only be described as horrifying. These writings - each and every one of them sponsored by the kingdom - espouse an anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, misogynist, jihadist, and supremacist outlook. For example, they:

Reject Christianity as a valid faith: Any Muslim who believes "that churches are houses of God and that God is worshiped therein is an infidel."

Insist that Islamic law be applied: On a range of issues, from women (who must be veiled) to apostates from Islam ("should be killed"), the Saudi publications insist on full enforcement of Shariah in America.

See non-Muslims as the enemy: "Be dissociated from the infidels, hate them for their religion, leave them, never rely on them for support, do not admire them, and always oppose them in every way according to Islamic law."

See America as hostile territory: "It is forbidden for a Muslim to become a citizen of a country governed by infidels because this is a means of acquiescing to their infidelity and accepting all their erroneous ways."

Prepare for war against America: "To be true Muslims, we must prepare and be ready for jihad in Allah's way. It is the duty of the citizen and the government."

The report's authors correctly find that the publications under review "pose a grave threat to non-Muslims and to the Muslim community itself." The materials instill a doctrine of religious hatred inimical to American culture and serve to produce new recruits to the enemy forces in the war on terrorism.


4 posted on 07/28/2005 6:35:41 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: CHARLITE; backhoe; Stopislamnow; canalabamian; Leapfrog; Critical Bill; ThreePuttinDude; ...

I just had to add your ping list to my modest list of names, want to share this delightful put-down with as many FReepers as I can:


What Arab Civilization?
This letter was sent to Carly Fiorina, CEO of Hewlett Packard Corporation, in response to a speech given by her on September 26, 2001.






November 7, 2001

Carly Fiorina
Hewlett-Packard
3000 Hanover Street
Palo Alto, CA 94304-1185

Dear Madame Fiorina:

It is with great interest that I read your speech delivered on September 26, 2001, titled "Technology, Business and Our way of Life: What's Next" [sic]. I was particularly interested in the story you told at the end of your speech, about the Arab/Muslim civilization. As an Assyrian, a non-Arab, Christian native of the Middle East, whose ancestors reach back to 5000 B.C., I wish to clarify some points you made in this little story, and to alert you to the dangers of unwittingly being drawn into the Arabist/Islamist ideology, which seeks to assimilate all cultures and religions into the Arab/Islamic fold.

I know you are a very busy woman, but please find ten minutes to read what follows, as it is a perspective that you will not likely get from anywhere else. I will answer some of the specific points you made in your speech, then conclude with a brief perspective on this Arabist/Islamist ideology.

Arabs and Muslims appeared on the world scene in 630 A.D., when the armies of Muhammad began their conquest of the Middle East. We should be very clear that this was a military conquest, not a missionary enterprise, and through the use of force, authorized by a declaration of a Jihad against infidels, Arabs/Muslims were able to forcibly convert and assimilate non-Arabs and non-Mulsims into their fold. Very few indigenous communities of the Middle East survived this -- primarily Assyrians, Jews, Armenians and Coptics (of Egypt).

Having conquered the Middle East, Arabs placed these communities under a Dhimmi (see the book Dhimmi, by Bat Ye'Or) system of governance, where the communities were allowed to rule themselves as religious minorities (Christians, Jews and Zoroastrian). These communities had to pay a tax (called a Jizzya in Arabic) that was, in effect, a penalty for being non-Muslim, and that was typically 80% in times of tolerance and up to 150% in times of oppression. This tax forced many of these communities to convert to Islam, as it was designed to do.

You state, "its architects designed buildings that defied gravity." I am not sure what you are referring to, but if you are referring to domes and arches, the fundamental architectural breakthrough of using a parabolic shape instead of a spherical shape for these structures was made by the Assyrians more than 1300 years earlier, as evidenced by their archaeological record.

You state, "its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption." The fundamental basis of modern mathematics had been laid down not hundreds but thousands of years before by Assyrians and Babylonians, who already knew of the concept of zero, of the Pythagorean Theorem, and of many, many other developments expropriated by Arabs/Muslims (see History of Babylonian Mathematics, Neugebauer).

You state, "its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease." The overwhelming majority of these doctors (99%) were Assyrians. In the fourth, fifth, and sixth centuries Assyrians began a systematic translation of the Greek body of knowledge into Assyrian. At first they concentrated on the religious works but then quickly moved to science, philosophy and medicine. Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Galen, and many others were translated into Assyrian, and from Assyrian into Arabic. It is these Arabic translations which the Moors brought with them into Spain, and which the Spaniards translated into Latin and spread throughout Europe, thus igniting the European Renaissance.

By the sixth century A.D., Assyrians had begun exporting back to Byzantia their own works on science, philosophy and medicine. In the field of medicine, the Bakhteesho Assyrian family produced nine generations of physicians, and founded the great medical school at Gundeshapur (Iran). Also in the area of medicine, (the Assyrian) Hunayn ibn-Ishaq's textbook on ophthalmology, written in 950 A.D., remained the authoritative source on the subject until 1800 A.D.

In the area of philosophy, the Assyrian philosopher Job of Edessa developed a physical theory of the universe, in the Assyrian language, that rivaled Aristotle's theory, and that sought to replace matter with forces (a theory that anticipated some ideas in quantum mechanics, such as the spontaneous creation and destruction of matter that occurs in the quantum vacuum).

One of the greatest Assyrian achievements of the fourth century was the founding of the first university in the world, the School of Nisibis, which had three departments, theology, philosophy and medicine, and which became a magnet and center of intellectual development in the Middle East. The statutes of the School of Nisibis, which have been preserved, later became the model upon which the first Italian university was based (see The Statutes of the School of Nisibis, by Arthur Voobus).

When Arabs and Islam swept through the Middle East in 630 A.D., they encountered 600 years of Assyrian Christian civilization, with a rich heritage, a highly developed culture, and advanced learning institutions. It is this civilization that became the foundation of the Arab civilization.

You state, "Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration." This is a bit melodramatic. In fact, the astronomers you refer to were not Arabs but Chaldeans and Babylonians (of present day south-Iraq), who for millennia were known as astronomers and astrologers, and who were forcibly Arabized and Islamized -- so rapidly that by 750 A.D. they had disappeared completely.

You state, "its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things." There is very little literature in the Arabic language that comes from this period you are referring to (the Koran is the only significant piece of literature), whereas the literary output of the Assyrians and Jews was vast. The third largest corpus of Christian writing, after Latin and Greek, is by the Assyrians in the Assyrian language (also called Syriac; see here.)

You state, "when other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others." This is a very important issue you raise, and it goes to the heart of the matter of what Arab/Islamic civilization represents. I reviewed a book titled How Greek Science Passed to the Arabs, in which the author lists the significant translators and interpreters of Greek science. Of the 22 scholars listed, 20 were Assyrians, 1 was Persian and 1 an Arab. I state at the end of my review: "The salient conclusion which can be drawn from O'Leary's book is that Assyrians played a significant role in the shaping of the Islamic world via the Greek corpus of knowledge. If this is so, one must then ask the question, what happened to the Christian communities which made them lose this great intellectual enterprise which they had established. One can ask this same question of the Arabs. Sadly, O'Leary's book does not answer this question, and we must look elsewhere for the answer." I did not answer this question I posed in the review because it was not the place to answer it, but the answer is very clear, the Christian Assyrian community was drained of its population through forced conversion to Islam (by the Jizzya), and once the community had dwindled below a critical threshold, it ceased producing the scholars that were the intellectual driving force of the Islamic civilization, and that is when the so called "Golden Age of Islam" came to an end (about 850 A.D.).

Islam the religion itself was significantly molded by Assyrians and Jews (see Nestorian Influence on Islam and Hagarism: the Making of the Islamic World).

Arab/Islamic civilization is not a progressive force, it is a regressive force; it does not give impetus, it retards. The great civilization you describe was not an Arab/Muslim accomplishment, it was an Assyrian accomplishment that Arabs expropriated and subsequently lost when they drained, through the forced conversion of Assyrians to Islam, the source of the intellectual vitality that propelled it. What other Arab/Muslim civilization has risen since? What other Arab/Muslim successes can we cite?

You state, "and perhaps we can learn a lesson from his [Suleiman] example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions." In fact, the Ottomans were extremely oppressive to non-Muslims. For example, young Christian boys were forcefully taken from their families, usually at the age of 8-10, and inducted into the Janissaries, (yeniceri in Turkish) where they were Islamized and made to fight for the Ottoman state. What literary, artistic or scientific achievements of the Ottomans can we point to? We can, on the other hand, point to the genocide of 750,000 Assyrians, 1.5 million Armenians and 400,000 Greeks in World War One by the Kemalist "Young Turk" government. This is the true face of Islam.

Arabs/Muslims are engaged in an explicit campaign of destruction and expropriation of cultures and communities, identities and ideas. Wherever Arab/Muslim civilization encounters a non-Arab/Muslim one, it attempts to destroy it (as the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan were destroyed, as Persepolis was destroyed by the Ayotollah Khomeini). This is a pattern that has been recurring since the advent of Islam, 1400 years ago, and is amply substantiated by the historical record. If the "foreign" culture cannot be destroyed, then it is expropriated, and revisionist historians claim that it is and was Arab, as is the case of most of the Arab "accomplishments" you cited in your speech. For example, Arab history texts in the Middle East teach that Assyrians were Arabs, a fact that no reputable scholar would assert, and that no living Assyrian would accept. Assyrians first settled Nineveh, one of the major Assyrian cities, in 5000 B.C., which is 5630 years before Arabs came into that area. Even the word 'Arab' is an Assyrian word, meaning "Westerner" (the first written reference to Arabs was by the Assyrian King Sennacherib, 800 B.C., in which he tells of conquering the "ma'rabayeh" -- Westerners. See The Might That Was Assyria, by H. W. F. Saggs).

Even in America this Arabization policy continues. On October 27th a coalition of seven Assyrian and Maronite organizations sent an official letter to the Arab American Institute asking it to stop identifying Assyrians and Maronites as Arabs, which it had been deliberately doing.

There are minorities and nations struggling for survival in the Arab/Muslim ocean of the Middle East and Africa (Assyrians, Armenians, Coptics, Jews, southern Sudanese, Ethiopians, Nigerians...), and we must be very sensitive not to unwittingly and inadvertently support Islamic fascism and Arab Imperialism, with their attempts to wipe out all other cultures, religions and civilizations. It is incumbent upon each one of us to do our homework and research when making statements and speeches about these sensitive matters.

I hope you found this information enlightening. For more information, refer to the web links below. You may contact me at keepa@ninevehsoft.com for further questions.

Thank you for your consideration.

Peter BetBasoo

http://www.ninevehsoft.com/fiorina.htm


5 posted on 07/28/2005 7:04:16 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Fred Nerks

Now there is some enlighting. And I would wager Peter did not stretch the truth one angstrom. Incidentally, Carly Fiorina
got sacked from HP a few months back.


6 posted on 07/28/2005 7:35:12 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Fred Nerks; All

Hatred's Kingdom: How Saudi Arabia Supports the New Global Terrorism

7 posted on 07/28/2005 7:35:13 PM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Thanks for the GOOD news!


8 posted on 07/28/2005 7:37:58 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Fred Nerks

"Thanks for the GOOD news!"
But the bad news due to her ineptness and failure to keep HP afloat, HP will be dumping some 12,000 employees soon.


9 posted on 07/28/2005 8:04:26 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: CHARLITE
I think Osama is too busy trying to save his own hide to be laughing about much of anything.

I think the entire world was surprised at our reaction to the 9-11 attacks. The Muslim world thought we were too soft to do much of anything other than shake our fists and go back to sleep, and the western world thought we should just do like they do and take it.

9-11 changed the world.

10 posted on 07/28/2005 8:24:38 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: USF

Thanks for the link USF!


11 posted on 07/28/2005 9:22:06 PM PDT by jan in Colorado ("My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge." Hosea 4:6)
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To: Fred Nerks
Freddie...I just read the long letter to Carly Fiorina. Very good summation. I wonder if Carly took the time to read it.
12 posted on 07/29/2005 5:42:41 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies

She got fired from HP - too much time sucking up to muzzies and not enough time on her work maybe?


13 posted on 07/29/2005 5:46:42 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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