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To: atlaw

It's almost like the entire evo community memorized the talking points memo.

"Yeah, but he was caught by evolutionists! See, the system works!"

Yeah, if you're willing to wait 30 years, it works.

But, my inquiry into your mindset (which has proved you to be merely another apologist who would rather attack creationists than substantively address the issue) was based on YOUR original post #126, where you condescendingly smirked at the 'peer review' process with regards to Brad Harrub (for whom I could care less).

If you're going to attack the other side with singular anecdotes, you'd better have big enough shoulders to take the 'slings and arrows' in return.

You haven't made even the most elementary attempt to investigate the Prof. Protsch affair. You dismiss it out of hand with a sniff: "Evolutionists found it and punished him."

Well, maybe we'll wait 30 years before we take a look at Mr. Harrub, OK? That'd make it fair according to your rules of engagement, wouldn't it?

So... how is it that the evo establishment is structured with fatal flaws such that the Protsch's of your community are allowed to slither around in the academic primordial goo for 30 years or more?


244 posted on 07/22/2005 1:40:41 PM PDT by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: ColoCdn

What, you don't like the fact that I approve of Reiner Protsch's dismissal for committing fraud? You don't like the fact that he was thoroughly exposed by scientists who investigated his findings and then dismissed in disgrace? That makes me and others (inexplicably) "apologists"? Sheesh.

And no, I haven't conducted an examination of Mr. Protsch. Why should I? Sounds like others accomplished that task rather thoroughly, and I'll take your word regarding his fraudulent behavior and dismissal.

Now, do you have any evidence that Mr. Protsch's fraud was known about sometime earlier but condoned? You seem to be making the accusation that, for thirty years, Mr. Protsch was a known fraudulator (a term of art), but that scientists kept it a secret and snickered about it in their monthly "darwin central" meetings. It'd be nice if you would back that up. Otherwise, I'll presume that, as soon as his fabrications were unearthed, he was dealt with. Harshly.

It's rather self-evident to me that Mr. Harrub's falsifications (or at the least, gross negligence) are well known. Right now. Today. But of course, nothing will be done about it. That's "creation science" in a nutshell.


250 posted on 07/22/2005 2:01:39 PM PDT by atlaw
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To: ColoCdn

Again, it wasn't as if the scientific community knew that Protsch's work was fraudulent and then waited 30 years to punish him. Nobody, (other than Protsch, and possibly some of the people working with him and complicit in the fraud) knew that his work was fraudulent. If someone is murdered and 30 years later a murderer is caught and punished, is this evidence that the criminal justice system doesn't work? Hopefully you see the difference here. Harrub's "work' is known by all to be fraudulent. Yet creationists still cite it in debates with evolutionists.


392 posted on 07/26/2005 10:29:24 AM PDT by stremba
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