The filibuster deal is GOOD for republicans.

Harkonnendog ^ | 6/23/05 | Harkonnendog

[Gipper08]

I dislike McCain.But He,Graham,and Warner got us three conservative judges.Frist,Allen,Santorum got us zero.Why didnt we make them hold the floor? Say what you want about the moderates,but they do have a spine and they enact their agenda.It should have never have come to this.

[apackof2]

“extraordinary circumstances.”

Yup, the good old escape clause

[Darkwolf]

Eliminating the judicial filibuster would have gotten us those judges, and more.

Anyone here who believes there won't be "extraordinary circumstances" (WHO gets to decide the circumstances are extraordinary? Answer:The Dems we most dislike!) popping up like empties at the Kennedy compoud, please stand up. I want to point and laugh at you.

[Gipper08]

Frist didn't have the votes,period.Why didn't we make them hold the floor?

[Harkonnendog]

That may be the plan. Give the dems enough rope to hang themselves. at least that was the point of my post (though that point is not reached in the excerpt)

[brivette]

This will all change when Repub's become the majority in the Senate. Wait.......

[Gipper08]

I think we do have three Republicans in there now.48 to go.

[LowOiL]

We believe that, under Article II, Section 2, of the United States Constitution, the word “Advice” speaks to consultation between the Senate and the President with regard to the use of the President’s power to make nominations. We encourage the Executive branch of government to consult with members of the Senate, both Democratic and Republican, prior to submitting a judicial nomination to the Senate for consideration.

Now this looks to me (a simple man, not a lawyer) that this now put the president in a position to serve not those that elected him, but to consult those whom I didn't first before placing any person up for nomination.

Perhaps someone with greater insight can enlighten me here.

[xlib]

We moved the chains. Three judges get approved, dems must justify future filibusters as "extraordinary" AFTER allowing Owen and Brown a vote, and any repubs who feel the dems are abusing the agreement are free to abandon it. I expect Frist will bring up Myers in due course, and all this back-and-forth will crank up again, with the important difference that Owens, Brown and Pryor will be beyond its reach. Let Ried argue that Myers is worse than Brown and Owen! It seems like a cave at first blush, but the dems are more constrained going forward than the repubs, IMO.

[normy]

This sort of action by the Senate Pubbies certainly does damage to those money requests I get in the mail doesn't it. I guess they will have to keep on trying to scare me with visions of President Hillary.

Seriously! How do these people expect to raise money? These judges were the bread and butter of their argument for a Republican Senate. I can't wait for their next request.

[Roscoe Karns]

I can just hear Boxer now...

(((cringe)))

[Darkwolf]

As long as a TV camera is on, you will ALWAYS hear Boxer.

[Darkwolf]

"and any repubs who feel the dems are abusing the agreement are free to abandon it."

That's nice, but meaningless--what difference does it make if a few Republicans feel it's being abused?

I get your point about the immediate situation with the judges but we could have had that and more with removing the judicial filibuster.

[Smedley]

Eliminating the judicial filibuster would have gotten us those judges, and more.

EXACTLY. The GOP had the votes. PERIOD.

They gave away what they had for the sake of comity with a group of liars who will define "extrodinary circumstances" to mean whatever they want it to.

[normy]

We moved the chains.

Unfortunately we had a man wide open in the end zone and we dumped it off for a three yard gain.

If we end the filibuster, almost all Bush's judges would be approved. The Dems would try to halt all business of any kind from getting done and would look like the obstructionists they are. The people would be pissed and the Dems would look like asses and would either lose seats in conservative states, or those Dems would be forced to compromise to save their necks.

Instead, the MSM can paint the Rino's like the moderate wing of the "extreme Republican majority" who sided with the "moderate Senate Dems" (which we know is all of them).

Too bad Cheney wasn't running things when Byrd and Reid started selling their snake oil. They would have got a "f$#k off" in return, which is what Frist should have said.

The Senate needs a Delay type leader.

[Badray]

3? Really?

Name them and don't include Pryor.

This is more of another case of the pubbies snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

The Dems knew that the 'compromise' would bring them closer to what they wanted than an outright defeat. That's why they agreed to this.

None of the GOP Senate deserves to be reelected as far as I am concerned.

[Gipper08]

I meant three conservative SENATORS total.Coburn,Thomas(Wy),and DeMint.

[Scaaty]

It doesn't make sense to throw the baby out with the bathwater by punishing the senators who have stood firm along with those who sold out.
Still, we will not contribute to the RNC unless they are willing to deny funds/support to the Senators who are complicit in denying our president his right to the appointments of his choice voted upon. We will save our money to contribute to those who run against them in primaries unless they find a way to assure us that NOT ONE DOLLAR will go to support any of the turncoats that took part in crafting this "compromise" we will never again contribute.
It makes me sick to my stomach to see/hear McCain suck up to the man who not only still has the starch from the sheets still clinging to his body but who was also the original abuser of the fillibuster.
Has anyone else pointed out that what we know about "Cain' is that he killed his brother?