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To: Billthedrill
I especially liked these from the first link:

Duesberg provides a full compilation of his fallacies:

1. He claims AIDS is not contagious. Answer: It is clearly sexually transmitted from man to woman, from woman to man, from man to man and from contaminated needles. It is also transmitted from mothers to babies through mother's milk. It fills all of the requirements of Koch's postulates for infectious agents.

2. He asks why there is no HIV in most AIDS patients? Answer: AIDS patients effectively treated with combinations of anti-HIV drugs can have HIV levels drop to below detectable levels, but levels always return to pretreatment levels when treatment is discontinued.

3. He asks why HIV would take 10 years from infection to AIDS? Answer: Because the tug of war between the virus and the immune system takes that long to be lost. The great menace of HIV is that it takes so long to kill that it provides catastrophic opportunities for the spread of disease. Epidemics like Ebola burn themselves out because they kill so quickly.

4. He says that AIDS is a chemical epidemic caused by anti-HIV drugs. Answer: How did the AIDS problem proliferate in the United States in the 1980s before there were any anti-HIV drugs? And how did millions of HIV cases develop in sub-Saharan Africa before there were any HIV drugs in those areas?

It's troubling that there are people posting here endorsing the idea that AIDS isn't contageous. It's not just wrong, it can be dead wrong.

92 posted on 05/04/2005 12:47:55 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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==4. He says that AIDS is a chemical epidemic caused by anti-HIV drugs.

Whoever wrote this doesn't know what they are talking about. Duesberg et al say that "anti-HIV" drugs are only one of the causes of AIDS. The largest AIDS risk group in the US and Europe are fast-track homesexuals who use immunosuppressive drugs to facilitate multi-partner gay sex (to include inserting large object in their rectums). The second largest risk group is intervenous drug addicts who succumb to the long-term immunosuppressive effects of drugs like heroin, etc. These two risk groups comprise the vast majority of all AIDS cases in the US and Europe.

To give you an idea of how chemically toxic the fast-track homosexual lifestyle is, take a look at the following statistics taken from leading (establishment) AIDS researchers. As you are about to see, the person who made the statement above, hasn't a clue about what Duesberg et al are talking about:

Table 3. CDC 1983*: Drug use by American male
homosexuals with AIDS and at risk for AIDS.

Drugs: Percentage users among 50 AIDS cases and 120 at risk for AIDS

Nitrite inhalants 96
Ethylchloride 35–50
Cocaine 50–60
Amphetamines 50–70
Phenylcyclidine 40
LSD 40–60
Metaqualone 40–60
Barbiturates 25
Marijuana 90
Heroin 10
Drug-free None reported
*(Jaffe et al 1983).

(From the link below) "The first series of publications linking homosexual AIDS with drugs, particularly aphrodisiac nitrite inhalants(Gottlieb et al 1981), was published in the New England Journal of Medicine in 1981 together with an editorial by AIDS researcher David Durack suggesting that drugs are the causes of AIDS (Durack 1981). Dozens of further drug-AIDS studies soon followed from all prominent AIDS researchers of the time, including Blattner, Bregman, Curran, Dougherty, Des Jarlais, Drotman, Friedman-Kien, Goedert, Haverkos, Jaffe, Marmor, McManus, Mildvan,
Moss, Newell, Oppenheimer, Ortiz, Rivera, and Stoneburner
(Goedert et al 1982; Marmor et al 1982; McManus et al 1982; Jaffe et al 1983; Mathur-Wagh et al 1984; Newell et al 1984; Haverkos et al 1985; Moss 1987; Haverkos and Dougherty 1988; Stoneburner et al 1988; Oppenheimer 1992)."

"Even the CDC, normally just a survey agency, conducted
epidemiological studies of their own, which confirmed
that male homosexuals at risk for AIDS and with
AIDS were using batteries of recreational and aphrodisiac
drugs (table 3), (Jaffe et al 1983). Not even one male homosexual at behavioural risk for AIDS or with AIDS was
found to be drug-free by the CDC. However, some CDC
investigators suggested that nitrites depend on “infectious
cofactors” to cause AIDS diseases (Haverkos 1988)."

"The perfect correlations between recreational drug use
and AIDS became the basis for the hypothesis that drugs,
or the drug use-“lifestyle” is the cause of AIDS (Shilts1987; Oppenheimer 1992). Moreover, the findings that
specific drugs, as for example nitrite inhalants, correlated
with specific AIDS diseases, such as immune suppression
and Kaposi’s sarcoma, directly support the lifestyle hypothesis (Goedert et al 1982; Marmor et al 1982; Haverkos
and Dougherty 1988)."

J. Biosci. | Vol. 28 | No. 4 | June 2003 | 383–412 | © Indian Academy of Sciences

Link:

http://www.duesberg.com/papers/chemical-bases.html


114 posted on 05/04/2005 4:41:45 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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