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To: Steely Tom
I like your take on them and maybe we can refine our thinking about them.

You are describing people who have figured out how to use power to evade reality, even if only in appearance.

They have all the psychological "brainwashing" and population control techniques already figured out. The Communists used them as a matter of policy. Our present Communists-under-cover just have to be more subtle in their application. Although they are getting much more daring and transparent now, for years they have been laying the ground work.

Since all of liberalism is based on fantasy, those who believe in it must, consequently, spend a lot of time thinking about the problem of "how can I evade reality on this one."

I am more critical and direct in my description. Communism is based on lies and truth, what you call reality, is the enemy. The fantasy is what is sold to the useful idiots. The movers and shakers know exactly what they are doing.

To those of such a mind, the ability to evade reality seems to them a solution to the great problem of their creed, and, therefore, of their lives.

Again, we must separate the movers and shakers from the useful idiots. The useful idiots may need the fantasy of equality and a human-made and controlled earthly paradise, but the ones behind the scenes simply sell that idea to gain power. It is a screen behind which they advance so as not to awaken the wary. Once they have the power more brutal methods are used to control.

Perhaps this is why so many in the media, politics, and the entertainment industry (where perception is reality as someone has remarked) see people such as the Kennedys as heroes.

That is probably true, as is. Keep in mind the critical points: Liberals are liars who are selling lies. They are ruthless in pursuit of power because power is necessary once the lies become apparent, as they will. There are no rules or morals in this fight except those the liberals impose on others, in this case the Republicans. Their creed is that lies are OK because the traitors of today will be the heros once they gain control.

If the Kennedys can wave their magic wand and make shame, dishonor, and cowardice go away, maybe they can wave that same magic wand and make liberalism into a valid way of solving the problems of the world.

You will notice that all liberals are portrayed as the smartest people going and their opponents as always presented as dunces who can barely tie their shoes. Liberals laugh at and demean all who question them so as to dismiss their complaints rather than address them. As part of that charade they whitewash all liberal foibles and crimes while exaggerating the slightest perceived failings of their opponents. Therefore, the the despicable Kennedys and Clintons are at worst fallen angels and martyrs of unjust attacks. Those who expose them to the light are the evil ones. This, by inference makes the liberal ideas superior to those of the opposition.

There is quite a bit of similarity between the Democrats and the Islamists. Their goals are identical. Their biggest deceit is that they think they can both win. However, were they to, one would have to destroy the other as neither can tolerate a disbeliever.

82 posted on 04/24/2005 1:56:04 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not everything that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
I said: To those of such a mind, the ability to evade reality seems to them a solution to the great problem of their creed, and, therefore, of their lives.

And you replied: Again, we must separate the movers and shakers from the useful idiots. The useful idiots may need the fantasy of equality and a human-made and controlled earthly paradise, but the ones behind the scenes simply sell that idea to gain power. It is a screen behind which they advance so as not to awaken the wary. Once they have the power more brutal methods are used to control.

I agree. Liberalism is a fantasy to the useful idiots; to the power-obsessed, it is a tool for mobilizing and harnessing ignorance, intellectual sloth, and superstition into a weapon of conquest. In this (and in other ways) it is identical to Islam.

The reason I glommed onto your comment (besides its validity) is that I have for a number of years been thinking about the weaknesses of liberalism with an eye toward figuring out a way to hasten its defeat. The idea that liberalism is a fantasy view of the world (similar to the "magic thinking" that is characteristic of shizophrenia) is one of the weaknesses I keep coming back to.

Our information culture, and the large numbers of people who earn their living by collecting, interpreting, and packaging information for the public, has given rise to a subculture that can spend most or all of its time in an intellectual universe that is almost completely untouched by everyday reality. My view is that it is within this subculture that liberalism finds its most influential followers. One hundred years ago, the number of people who could live this way was tiny: only the insane and the very wealthy could live this way. Today, there are millions who can. This is a side-effect of our unbelievably wealthy society, which has the power to alter reality in so many ways.

The answer is sitting in front of us: the internet, and other means of instant mass retail communication.

Islam is taking its war on modernity to the next level now because its leaders (the ones who benefit materially from its power to convert ignorance into a political force) realize that if they don't make their move now they'll never get the chance.

It may be that the grim men and women who are the minds behind liberalism, whose livelyhoods and futures depend upon it continuing to be taken seriously, see the same thing happening to their creed. Their enemy is not so much George Bush, or Republicans, or even conservatism. Their enemy is the exponential increase in the ease with which truth can be discovered, examined, and disseminated freely. Because of that dynamic, the space in which they operate is getting smaller every day.

This is why they are fighting tooth and nail to retain their power over the courts, which are the branch of government most insulated from reality. Judges are dictators, and liberals have always liked dictators. They just don't like defeated dictators.

(steely)

87 posted on 04/24/2005 2:29:57 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Fortunately, the Bill of Rights doesn't include the word 'is'.)
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