Posted on 04/04/2005 3:15:28 PM PDT by qam1
Ping list for the discussion of the politics and social (and sometimes nostalgic) aspects that directly effects Generation Reagan / Generation-X (Those born from 1965-1981) including all the spending previous generations (i.e. The Baby Boomers) are doing that Gen-X and Y will end up paying for.
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Given the precedig paragraph, I assume this is a misprint.
I also feel like I should point out that I did NOT teach my children the things this author complains about, and that some of the biggest spenders in Congress are NOT baby-boomers.(Robert Byrd, Ted Kennedy, Trent Lott).
That's the first I've heard that. How ridiculous!
I'm a Boomer and remember Ike and Pope Pius, but Mrs. C is much younger, an early GenXer and she is particularly concerned that the next Pope will be a liberal who will "Reform" the church. I must admit that I really haven't hought much about it but, now that I do, I realize that the next Pope will be pivotal in the shaping of our future society.
A very liberal Pope could be disastrous.
The one thing that concerns me most about Gen X, Gen Y, and Millenium kids is the fact that so many of them grew up with no parent(s) at home much of the time. In light of recent events, I wonder how many of them will be more than willing to do the "convenient" thing with their aging parents, when the roles are reversed. Scary thought.....
I am sorry for Gen X kids who were raised as latch-key kids with little interest from their parents. That isn't true of all Gen X-ers, though.
Some people, however, are going to reap what they have sown.
I have vague recollection of something when I was a toddler. People were talking about something that had gone down in a nearby RCC. I looked into it later as an adult, asking my folks what had happened. About 1/3 of the congregation had left the church because they wanted to divert some amount of money from normal church funds to essentially give a bunch of people who smashed up their own neighborhood in a riot extra money above welfare. This 1/3 were a faction who had gotten some sort of taste of liberation theology and had been all fired by all the liberalization of Vatican 2. They were the youngest Silents and the oldest Boomers. They were people who, as young adults, had been influenced strongly by Pope Paul VI. So, when they didn't get their way they split away with a renegade priest and formed their own Marxist hippie "church." To me, John Paul II helped to turn around what was clearly the destruction of a key element of Western Civilization. I am not a RC, however, from the standpoint of what's important to Western Civilization, I pray that the next Pope is at least as conservative as John Paul II was. May he rest in peace.
It is my belief that the Holy Spirit brought us JPll and He will also bring us the pope that we need. I have no fear.
Losing two men who were giants of history within one year. They were both at one time actors, powerful leaders, anti-communists, and both shot in 1981.
Being a "True Freeper" is not incongruent with being a true-blue Catholic.
Bring your Fire Retartandt suit, you are going to get flamed.
The obligatory Catholic-bashing on the part of self-righteous evangelical FReepers shall commence in...
Whoops, it's already started...
it won't happen. the liberal factions of catholicism are in the US and in western europe - the two locations where catholicism is dying due to the growth of secularism and imploding birth rates. why have a pope that caters to that segment, when its fading out?
I don't think that being an Evangelical is the only the way to be a true conservative or "true FReeper," and I doubt many other do either.
Though if pressed, I would say the Baptists, the Pentecosts and the Mormons are much truer to the conservative, free market, 2nd amendment, low taxes, limited government, pro-military ideology of Jesus Christ.
Oh, really?
When Peter died, so died the privileges he inherited from Christ.
You acknowledge that Peter was given privileges from Christ. That's a good start. Those privileges were the keys to the kingdom of heaven (Mt 16:13-19) and the power of binding and loosing sins (Mt 18:18). Powerful privileges indeed. However, Peter would be dead by 70 AD. Why would He not intend the office of Peter to be passed on?
When God established His covenant with the nation of Israel, He provided for a living, continuing authority in the Mosaic priesthood. This is testified to in 2 Chr 19:11
See now, Amariah is high priest over you in everything that pertains to the Lord, and Zebadiah, son of Ishmael, is leader of the house of Judah in all that pertains to the king; and the Levites will be your officials. Act firmly, and the Lord will be with the good.
and in Mal 2:7
For the lips of the priest are to keep knowledge; and instruction is to be sought from his mouth, because he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts.
So we have an OT precedent for a living, continuing authority established for spreading God's word, as well as sanctifying and governing. Why would He give to Peter such a great responsibility, along with such powerful authority, and not intend for it to be passed on? Would Christians who did not have the benefit of hearing the Gospel directly from Christ's lips, or living in the times of the Gospel, need that guiding authority even more?
This is something all true Freepers understand intuititvely.
Oh, come now. No need to taunt us by implying that Catholics are not real Freepers (or perhaps even real conservatives?). I've seen you raining on Catholics' parade in this time of change on a few different threads, so I pray that you will give this some thought.
If I taunted, I owe an apology to you, a brother in Christ
What i am trying to say is that Catholicism is ridden with tendencies that manifest themselves in non-conservative ways. Aside from the doctrinal differences I mentioned, it is hierarchical, nondemocratic & characterized by lots of foreign influence.
I think Catholics are fine people, with their devotion to private education and the military. But I still believe that American Protestantism - stripped of Priests, Bishops, and centuries of theology - is a purer form of Christianity (thus the reason that our religous forbears called themselves "Puritans")
This is something for you to consider.
Thank you. Apology accepted. However ...
What i am trying to say is that Catholicism is ridden with tendencies that manifest themselves in non-conservative ways.
Name a church that doesn't have its more liberal members and/or pastors.
Aside from the doctrinal differences I mentioned, it is hierarchical, nondemocratic & characterized by lots of foreign influence.
Christ didn't promise a democracy ... He promised a kingdom. Also, consider Eph 4:11-12:
And he gave some as apostles, others as prophets, others as evangelists, others as pastors and teachers, to equip the holy ones for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, ...
This sounds like a hierarchy to me. And what's wrong with foreign influence? A universal church is going to have influences from all over the world, as its membership and mission are worldwide. Just remember that the Truth is the Truth, no matter where you're from.
I think Catholics are fine people, with their devotion to private education and the military. But I still believe that American Protestantism - stripped of Priests, Bishops, and centuries of theology - is a purer form of Christianity (thus the reason that our religous forbears called themselves "Puritans")
Thank you for your gracious recognition of some of the significant contributions of the Church to our society. I recognize there are a few things that we Catholics could learn from Protestants and other Christians. However, I disagree with your assessment of other churches as a purer form of Christianity as the Catholic Church is the oldest, and can trace its history directly to the time of Christ. The Puritans were an admirable people, but just because they called themselves the Puritans doesn't make them the purest form of Christianity.
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