[mercy]

You miss my point about 'World' religion. No dead religion is a World religion. That's part of the problem for Moslem's. They have too good of a memory. It's like American Blacks who want reparations. Modern man refuses to be held to account for what his great great great grandfathers did.

The Crusades were wrong. We admit it. The West will never again subjugate another country in the name of religion. Even our worst enemies we conquer and then set free and spend billions to rebuild them.

The Moslems on the other hand are still fighting the Crusades. It's silly.

[muawiyah]

Actually, the first crusade was right. It succeeded in its objective ~ the reopening of the Holy land to the tourist (pilgrim) trade, and the liberation of Egypt from the grasp of the Seljuk Turks (at, in fact, the request of the Egyptian Bey).

I don't apologize for things for which I was not responsible anyway.

[muawiyah]

Then, concerning how Islam spread, it wasn't all by the sword. Most of it appears to have been open, willing conversion. It gets spread the same way today.

[STD]

Normally, I agree with you partner, but this just is not true!

"The Crusades were wrong. We admit it."

Wrong, the crusades did not take place in a vacuum. The jihadists were at the gates of Vienna more than once. Charles Martel "the Hammer" later named the "Holy Roman Emperor" won a crucial battle in central France, otherwise nothing could have stopped islam. No reformation, no reniasence, no freedom in the new world. A thousand years of darkness would have been the result. There are 3 new books coming out on the crusades, I hope the authors point out that Europe has been under attack for over 700 years. Somethings never change. Just ask the people of the Netherlands!