Posted on 03/23/2005 5:49:34 AM PST by xzins
See post #97 and compare that all-encompassing wording with the order to deny feeding by natural means.
Look at the guard at the door of Terri's room that specifically prevents her parents from actually providing her with such food and water.
You know they would be there with food and water if they were permitted. You just KNOW they would.
I appreciate your point. Few of us know the whole story and a good dose of skepticism is necessary as we investigate and ask pertinent questions.
But there is a great deal of difference between skepticism and cynicism. It seems to me that a cynicism that automatically attributes the worst of motives from the very beginning is not the right way to proceed. That is what I found objectionable in your assessment and why I would give the benefit of the doubt to the Schindlers. On the other hand, Michael Schiavo's actions, as reported, are enough to convince me that he is a scoundrel of the worst sort.
That is what I said. I have too many commitments for violence so I'll pray.
Welcome to FR.
According to FoxNews.com, the Schindlers are going before the full appellate court.
You signed up today just to say that?
Ragging on the Schindlers?
They DO NOT want money. They want to keep their beloved daughter from dying a horrible death!
Crawl back into your hole, liberal death-loving scum.
Please read all of my posts...I said I was libertarian, not liberal. There is a difference. And yes, if it were up to me, Mrs. Schiavo would stay alive. Unfortunately, it's not up to me or any of us in this room.
Also, please refrain from the name calling. I will try to respect your opinion and treat you as courteously as possible. Thank you.
Sorry I guess I misunderstood your post.
And thank you for the welcome.
No problem.. Tread softly. We can be rough on new posters.
Isaiah 41:17 - "When the poor and needy seek water, and there is none, and their tongue faileth for thirst, I the LORD will hear them, I the God of Israel will not forsake them."
Here is a link to the February 25, 2005 order. The first, and perhaps most important thing to notice, is that this ruling comes on a motion for a stay, not a motion to expand the scope of the February 2000 order. As will be seen, the Court ultimately denies the stay and implements the February 2000 order. Nothing more.
You will see that the judge makes reference to the fact that "Five years have passed since the issuance of the February 2000 Order authorizing the removal of Theresa Schiavo's nutrition and hydration ...." This is the beginning of the inartful shorthand reference to the February 2000 Order (and we know that that order pertains only to withdrawing "artificial" life support.)
Then the Court says, "Even though the Court will not issue another stay, the scheduling of a date certain for implementation of the February 11, 2000 ruling will give Respondents ample time ...." So we know from this reference that the purpose of this order is merely to schedule implementation of the February 11, 2000, not to expand its scope.
Then the Court orders, inter alia that, "absent a stay from the appellate courts [of the February 11, 2000 order], the guardian MICHAEL SCHIAVO, shall cause the removal of nutrition and hydration from the ward, THERESA SCHIAVO, at 1:00 p.m. on Friday, March 18, 2005."
While the wording could have been more precise, it certainly cannot be read to expand the scope of the Court's February 11, 2000 order.
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As to the guard at the door, it is to fully assess blame for turning this poor woman's demise into a circus. But a circus it is. There have actually been discussions on these overheated threads of someone kidnapping Terri so they can force feed her. A guard seems reasonable.
After their performance for the last x years, the parents are rightfully deemed unpredictable by the guardian (the husband). They clearly don't 'play by the rules.' Were I the guardian, I would surely not allow unsupervised visitation.
Were you the guardian would you object to food and water naturally administered?
Ping to #111
So, then, you are saying that the parents can enter and feed her by mouth if they wish?
No, I would not, subject only to medical advice from her attending physician. I say that because death from choking (loss of oxygen) is much, much more frightening and painful than from starvation. So, I would be informed by medical advice on minimizing the risk of choking.
But it seems to me that could be controlled with the size of the morsels. Just like we used to do with our children as babies: no second bite until the first goes down. If it never does, that's it.
Winston, I fear you are speaking from ignorance. She can swallow. She hasn't been drooling for the last 15 years, so where has all that drool been going? She is being murdered by denying her any natural means of hydration or nutrition. The parents have been denied the ability to even prolong her life by so much as a minute by putting an ice cube in her mouth.
Terri Schivo is not being allowed to die naturally. She is being systematically executed. I don't know why you can't see that.
>>>To use this situation as an excuse to bash the President is disgusting........>>>
I'm not bashing the president, I'm bashing his brother.
There should be a couple of hundred Christians being arrested today trying to get her food and water. If I were down there, I would try.
But to refuse to allow her parents to give her water is unconscionable. This is what the order from Greer does. It prohibits any attempt to keep her alive by natural means. IOW it is a certain death sentence.
Winston, it is a fact that her husband did not remember her desire to die for 7 long years after her injury. I've just heard this repeated a few minutes ago on FoxNews.
Doesn't that make you wonder why he suddenly came up with this hearsay conversation in which she made an absolutely, unprovable statement?
And, why the long gap before it finally struck him that he made such a statement?
Such a discrepancy makes my antennae go on alert.
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