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To: thoughtomator
On what basis should his analysis of the CT scan be disregarded?

I'm not going to get back into this and be called a murderer and worse again.

I'm a FReeper since 5/98, I'm a physician who has seen many scans and many patients with brain injury, and I'm just telling you that the vast majority of consultants who have seen this scan are right and this blogger is wrong.

Believe what you like.

12 posted on 03/23/2005 5:51:12 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Jim Noble

I'm not going to call you a murderer, I just want information. Right now, that's the only detailed analysis of the CT scan that's available. If there's a reason to doubt it, I would like to know what that reason is.


14 posted on 03/23/2005 5:53:41 AM PST by thoughtomator (Murder by Judges, 1 - 2 - 3, it's as easy to learn as your ABCBSCNNMSNBCs)
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To: Jim Noble
Jim:

It's the juvenile "my doctor can beat up your doctor" syndrome.

BTW, do not become upset by an assortment of character flaws who called you a murderer.

17 posted on 03/23/2005 5:59:01 AM PST by verity (The Liberal Media and the ACLU are America's Enemies)
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To: Jim Noble
And what is your specialty? I don't want an orthopod trying to read a CT Scan of the brain which is the responsibility of a radiologist and/or neurologist.
19 posted on 03/23/2005 6:01:14 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: Jim Noble

Jim,

Your analysis will be ignored here, I'm afraid.


21 posted on 03/23/2005 6:05:42 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Jim Noble

Anyone who has debated the pros and cons of this case has taken the same abuse in this Forum Doc, We are EEEEEvil. didnt you know? One debater had no qualms at killing me but wanted to save Terri. Volunteered to shut MY machine off.

Yeah no sense in beating your head against a wall,nothing you could say hasnt been said before and it didnt matter then either.

I suppose any medical case has two sides, but where were these quacks who are coming out of the woodwork now 15 years ago?


22 posted on 03/23/2005 6:07:54 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Jim Noble
I'm a physician who has seen many scans and many patients with brain injury, and I'm just telling you that the vast majority of consultants who have seen this scan are right and this blogger is wrong.

Well I'm not a physician, BUT I have heard the eminent Dr. Hammesfahr and several other highly respected neurologists say that CT scans are too "fuzzy" to be used for a definitive diagnosis of this condition.

MRIs and PET scans, according to these experts, are much clearer and are state-of-the-art.

Michael Schiavo has refused to let Terri have either an MRI or a PET scan.

24 posted on 03/23/2005 6:09:46 AM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: Jim Noble
I know something about imaging Jim. In fact I know enough to know that if this slice is of Terri Schiavo then she has cortex and the claims that her "brain is gone" were and are a lie.

I also know enough to know that there are elderly people walking and talking whose scans would show up similar to this.

Am I wrong?

27 posted on 03/23/2005 6:16:32 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Jim Noble

You are arguing with people who think that 19 (now 20) courts as well as all the doctors and nurses that don't support their viewpoint are all in a conspiracy to cover up either Michael beating her.

Good luck to you!

Some of these posts really reminds me of a bunch of little kids throwing a fit and being ruled by emotion rather than rational adults looking at the issue and making decisions based in logic.


33 posted on 03/23/2005 6:22:08 AM PST by ThinkingMan
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To: Jim Noble
hydrocephalus ex vacuo from anoxic brain or "passive" hydrocephalus wouldn't be treated with a shunt. In fact if it was treated with a shunt it would put the patient more at risk for SAH(sub arachnoid hemorrhage).

You state that you're a physician, then you know that "clinical correlation" is needed with every scan.

You can't examine the patient on the 'net, you might have but I don't think you were consulted and did EEG, PET scan, MRI/MRA or any medical record review that would compare and contrast a "vegetative state".

This is the first salvo into euthanasia for an inconvenient person.

If you're comfortable with lawyers and judges dealing with medical issues of death prior to knowing the actual wishes of the patient to be killed, then that's your opinion.

I don't agree with killing this woman. We can disagree and still Freep along.

65 posted on 03/23/2005 6:51:12 AM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: Jim Noble
I'm a FReeper since 5/98,

Is that suppose to mean you are more credible or something than this doctor? Is Jim Noble your real name? Where do you practice medicine?

95 posted on 03/23/2005 7:28:26 AM PST by SwordofTruth (God is good all the time.)
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