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Breaking: Public urging Gov. Bush to use National Guard to protect Terri Schiavo
The New Tech Diary | 3/18/2005 | 1stFreedom

Posted on 03/18/2005 12:19:15 PM PST by 1stFreedom

March 18, 2005 -- New York, NY

People across the nation are contacting the Governor's office encouraging him to utilize the Florida National Guard.

Under provisions of Florida Statute 250.28, the Governor may utilize the guard in order to execute the laws of the state when the local authorities are not able to.

Orders issued by Pinellas Circuit Judge George Greer are in clear violation Article I Section 2 of the Constitution of the State of Florida.

These orders have created confusion as to what course of action is to be taken by local authorities, and has resulted in a resistance to protecting the rights of Terri Schiavo.

Under Florida Statue 250.28, the Governor is given authority to use the National Guard to prevent resistance to the execution of state laws.

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To: Destro
The problem to those not familiar with a vegetative state is that they think the person in that state in responding to them because there are facial gestures and eye following movememnt. In reality it is just a reflex action.

Responding to voice commands is not a reflex action.

241 posted on 03/18/2005 9:26:29 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Destro; AaronInCarolina; l.tecolote; Bogolyubski; frgoff; justche
I don't have to. The court ruled she is in that state - based on expert clinical testimony. Why should your opinion or mine or anyone's outside of the experts in that court room matter?

Actually, you do, because of this statement you made in post #116: You disagree with what I defined as a vegetative state.

What you defined is what is at issue, because you pretended that the determination of what constitutes a vegitative state was something you were somehow qualified to do yourself. Clearly you weren't and aren't. It's really not any more difficult to understand than that. The paid clinical "experts" to which you refer were opinions bought by legal sharks. Or don't you know how that game is played?

I suppose you wouldn't have objected to the 3/5 compromise or Dred Scott court decisions on the basis of your notions of "conservatism"? Gotta wonder what the "legal experts" were saying then, hmm?

May you hope that your personal fate someday is not placed at the mercy of a corrupt court system such as this situation manifests.

242 posted on 03/18/2005 9:27:38 PM PST by Agamemnon
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To: Republican Wildcat
The court review found no such evidence - CAT scans show the cerebral cortex has shriveled away.
243 posted on 03/18/2005 9:27:41 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Republican Wildcat

BY the way - I should ask - you may not agree that this woman is in a vegetative state but do you agree with my statement on a general level? That people in a veg. state tend to look like they are responsive?


244 posted on 03/18/2005 9:28:44 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: ContraryMary
Florida law says Terri should be allowed to die.

Please cite and quote the Florida law that says this. If you can't - because, rightly interpreted, there isn't such a law on the books - stop lecturing people who want to protect this poor woman.

245 posted on 03/18/2005 9:33:52 PM PST by freedomdefender
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To: Destro
state is considered a form of brean death and state law allows the "plug to be pulled".

Please cite the law you claim to know about. Otherwise, stop pushing for this woman's death.

246 posted on 03/18/2005 9:35:48 PM PST by freedomdefender
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To: freedomdefender

It was a generalized statement - lots of other factors involved of course.


247 posted on 03/18/2005 9:37:19 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro
'pulling the plug?'

There is no "plug" to pull, with Terri. She's not on a respirator or any electrical system. There's just a feeding tube. Pulling that means starving her -- murdering her, just as withholding food from a baby is murder.

248 posted on 03/18/2005 9:38:24 PM PST by freedomdefender
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To: Destro
A) State's rights - I don't want the Feds involved.

So the feds aren't allowed to protect civil rights? The blacks who used to be kept in Florida segregated schools - till the feds intervened - - might disagree with you.

249 posted on 03/18/2005 9:41:18 PM PST by freedomdefender
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To: NY-YANK
You know, I wouldn't want to be artificially kept alive in a situation such as this and if you people did this to my wife and family I'd come back and haunt every single one of you.

You need to look into getting your moral compass fixed before you are condemned for eternity to outer darkness on the other side of the Lake of Fire.

Believers in Jesus Christ need not fear your familiar spirit.

Your ignorance is no longer an excuse!

250 posted on 03/18/2005 9:42:39 PM PST by bondserv (Sincerity with God is the most powerful instigator for change! † [Check out my profile page])
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To: Destro
You are telling me the spouse has no rights over his wife?

Not when he's raising kids with another woman. He obviously has a conflict of interest, with respect to Terri, that her parents don't have. They have no interest that would be in conflict with Terri's interest, but the "husband" has three interests that are in conflict with Terri's - his fiance, and the two sons he has with his fiance. He can't marry his fiance until Terri is dead (or they're divorced) and until he can marry his fiance his two kids with her are illegitimate. to give them a name and legitimacy, Terri must die (or he must divorce her). So no, his "husbandly" rights viz Terri are gone, by any common sense analysis. The judge should never have entrusted this many with Terri's guardianship, because he has interests that are adverse to Terri's interest.

251 posted on 03/18/2005 9:46:33 PM PST by freedomdefender
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To: freedomdefender

You know what I thought was the most disgusting thing about today's events, other than Terri's food supply being cut off - was that Michael Schiavo's GIRLFRIEND was the one who made the announcement. She wanted her 15 minutes of fame. They crap all over Terri's family. How they can sleep at night is beyond me.


252 posted on 03/18/2005 9:48:58 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (Save Terri Schiavo!!!)
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To: Destro
It was a generalized statement

You are massively ignorant about the issues in this case. You claim that "states rights" should prohibit the federal government from intervening to protect civil rights guaranteed by the federal constitution. Yet the 14th Amendment, section 5, explicitly gives Congress that power. That's why we have a federal civil rights act, and why local judges in the South are no longer allowed to uphold segregationist policies. You also claim that the "husband" should have "rights over" the wife - when he's got two kids by another woman who will remain illegitimate until the wife dies - so he has a flaming conflict of interest. You really ought to stop posting on this subject until you've done more reading and thinking.

253 posted on 03/18/2005 9:51:56 PM PST by freedomdefender
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To: Saundra Duffy
Michael Schiavo's GIRLFRIEND was the one who made the announcement.

I didn't know that. Sick.

254 posted on 03/18/2005 9:53:52 PM PST by freedomdefender
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To: freedomdefender

yea well she has been a vegetable for over a decade.


255 posted on 03/18/2005 10:29:24 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

"If she is in a vegetative state (I am assuming that she is) then she is technicaly brain dead if not defacto brain dead so the 'enumerated right to life' under the Florida Consitution does not apply."

I heard they hadn't done an MRI and that the doctor said her EEG did not show that she wasn't brain dead. In addition, she's not on life support (e.g., a ventilator)she's being fed through a tube because she's disabled and cannot feed herself. I fear for her and also for what this may set as a precedent - - what about all the Alzheimer patients - many of them are in a state not much better than hers. One of the things that makes me sick is I can't understand why her husband doesn't just walk away from this - - as I understand it, he has a new life, so what does he possibly have to gain from this, besides being an uncaring inhumane piece of scum. What's in it for him - -that's what I can't figure out.


256 posted on 03/18/2005 10:32:08 PM PST by Seattle Conservative (Seattle Conservative)
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To: freedomdefender

No civil rights - she is a vegetable.


257 posted on 03/18/2005 10:32:43 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: freedomdefender

No civil rights - she is a vegetable - i.e a form of brain death.


258 posted on 03/18/2005 10:36:41 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Seattle Conservative

I read that a brain CAT scan showed a shriveled non functioning cerebral cortex.


259 posted on 03/18/2005 10:37:41 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

>> B) she is indeed in a Veg. state.

But this judge has blocked all reasonable revisititation of his finding, and is sustained at appeal level only because that level does not reverse lower court findings of "fact."
This patient has not even had a PET Scan or fMRI or a recent EEG, because he has blocked those requests, in spite of conflicting medical opinions and continuing controversy. So instead of resolving controversy, he is managing it by fiat at the expense of knowledge which neither you nor I have. But of course, I know, you have an Position Based on Conservitism. Kiss my ass.


260 posted on 03/18/2005 10:46:36 PM PST by GopherIt
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