Telsla's Electric Car

http://www.keelynet.com/energy/teslcar.htm ^

[Fish Hunter]

These infinite energy jokers have never studied the law.

The laws of thermodynamics that is...

Gotta Love'm Though

LOL F H

[Lurking2Long]

Uhhh...that's a water tower under construction dude...

[ikka]

Sounds like induction... I have seen some flashlights that are new on the market... a permanent magnet in the handle with wire wrapped around part of it. Move the flashlight back and forth, causing the magnet to move past the wires, induces enough current to power the flashlight.

[trickyricky]

This story sounds like a UFO type story.

It's "free" energy nonsense.

I caught a really funny "Mythbusters" episode a week or so ago.
They got on the internet and sent away for a bunch of "free-energy" blueprints.

They got the help of an electrical engineering guru from MIT to build these devices,
all of which failed to produce any "free-energy". Myth-Busted!

They ain't no free-lunch, honey,
but the true believers will never be dissuaded, God bless them.

[Twinkie]

Goodness. If all this is true and Tesla's invention had developed, by now the "device" would probably be a whole lot smaller than the original. Judging by the cell phone among other things as an example, which has gone from huge just a few years ago to smaller and smaller every year.

[Jaysun]

Thanks for your comments.

It's somewhat unclear to me if you're justifying the story or if you simply saw me drowning in a sea of stupidity and decided to toss me a flotation device. So first I have to ask what kind of reading you're getting on your BS detector with respect to this article. I say it was made up by some fruitcake in a propeller hat, but I'm interested to see what you think.

As to your other comments, I grasp what your saying, and it leaves me with some questions, but I don't know the lingo so I'll have to use illustrations that I can coherently describe (my way of asking you to cut me some slack).

So you're saying that there's some sort of background energy all around us and we've been able to observe this background energy in the act of making particles (changes in audio and light frequencies).

I think that everyone can agree that there is, of course, a fundamental difference between "detectable" and "usable". That being said, wouldn't this energy be largely undetectable by virtue of the fact that it's hanging out in zero mode waiting to "flash briefly into existence and expire within an interval dictated by the uncertainty principle"?

Assuming it could be manipulated and controlled to our advantage, couldn't it also be manipulated and controlled to our disadvantage? If so, what currently keeps it in balance (neither helping nor hurting us) now?

Would we have to control things like gravity and temperature to harness this energy? If so, what keeps the necessary adjustments in things like gravity and temperature from having an effect on us? If we can push a boat through the water "for free" what would stop that energy from also pushing the human for free? That is to say, what allows us to be selective?

I have a lot more questions but I know you're not running an online physics class here. In a nutshell we think we can make order evolve from randomness. Well, to really swallow that requires one hell of a drink. One thing is for certain: We've got to find that damned briefcase full of tubes before it falls into the hands of Dr. Evil.

[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

"In place of the engine, there was an AC motor.

This measured a little more than 3 feet long, and a little more than 2 feet in diameter. From it trailed two very thick cables which connected with the dashboard. In addition, there was an ordinary 12 volt storage battery. The motor was rated at 80 horsepower.

Maximum rotor speed was stated to be 30 turns per second. "

LOL
The person is very exact about size, hp and RPM (1800).

I know a nephew who knows a person who is a maid of the person who was kin to the person who saw the man who saw the demonstration of the pill which turned water into gasoline.

Tesla was a genius but he became airy fairy in his dotage.

[Lori675]

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/02/ford_introducin.html
February 24, 2005
Ford Introducing H2 Combustion Engines to Industrial Marketplace

Ford Power Products (FPP), a division of Ford Powertrain Operations, is introducing hydrogen-fueled internal combustion engines (H2ICEs) to the industrial marketplace.

This parallels Ford Motor Company’s introduction of the E-450 commercial hydrogen-powered shuttle bus. (Earlier post.)

FPP currently has two different hydrogen engines prototyped for the industrial marketplace: a 4.2-liter V-6 hydrogen engine for airline ground support equipment, and the 6.8-liter V-10 hydrogen engine (picture at right) for power generation applications. Each burns compressed gaseous hydrogen.

Preliminary Ford H2ICE Engine Specs
V-6 V-10
Displacement (liters) 4.2 6.8
Rated Power (kW/hp) 60/80 140/188
Minimum Fuel Pressure @ engine (psi) 125 125

The E-450 is also based on the V-10 hydrogen-fueled engine.

[Lori675]

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/02/ford_introducin.html
February 24, 2005
Ford Introducing H2 Combustion Engines to Industrial Marketplace

Ford Power Products (FPP), a division of Ford Powertrain Operations, is introducing hydrogen-fueled internal combustion engines (H2ICEs) to the industrial marketplace.

This parallels Ford Motor Company’s introduction of the E-450 commercial hydrogen-powered shuttle bus. (Earlier post.)

FPP currently has two different hydrogen engines prototyped for the industrial marketplace: a 4.2-liter V-6 hydrogen engine for airline ground support equipment, and the 6.8-liter V-10 hydrogen engine (picture at right) for power generation applications. Each burns compressed gaseous hydrogen.

Preliminary Ford H2ICE Engine Specs
V-6 V-10
Displacement (liters) 4.2 6.8
Rated Power (kW/hp) 60/80 140/188
Minimum Fuel Pressure @ engine (psi) 125 125

The E-450 is also based on the V-10 hydrogen-fueled engine.

[LeGrande]

Like position and momentum, energy L and time also obey Heisenberg's rule.

Are there other pairs that observe Heisenberg's rule?

[AmericanArchConservative]

Nikolai Tesla... Bump for later.

[Michael121]

There was just an "engine" made by a guy about 2 years ago, on Science channel.

His "engine" pulled zero point energy out of atoms. It is unlimited like "dark matter" but we need an "engine" or a collector.

The article was kind of like Tesla's Collector.

He pulled energy from the atmosphere. He found that zero point energy existed.

http://www.zpenergy.com/

[Michael121]

Everything in the universe ad-hears to the "Uncertainty Principle"

"The observance of any phenomena automatically modifies that phenomena"

[Jaysun]

Okay, I'll check out the link. For God's sake man, you have to answer that one little question, it's driving me mad. Where do you stand as to the validity of this story???

[Michael121]

With Tesla All things are possible.

His idea was FREE ENERGY transmitted to the world.

If his "Collector" and I believe he had one as to this story, why not we have one today on a small scale, were built than no more oil, fuel cells or anything is needed bacause technically Zero-Point would be almost the perpetual machine, using its own exhaust as fuel.

[evolved_rage]

Interesting. Quite a bit of Tesla in the character of John Galt. (Or quite a bit of Atlas Shrugged in this "story")

[LeGrande]

"The observance of any phenomena automatically modifies that phenomena"

It was my understanding that it doesn't actually have to be observed. Thats what keeps electrons in "orbit" if the position gets too close to the nucleus and hence is "known" its momentum has to increase dramatically.

So are you saying that any two pairs I pick are mutually exclusive? Time and momentum, wave and particle, mass and energy, position and energy, etc?

[AntiBurr]

Just a quick scan of the article brings up only one item of objection: single phase versus 3 phase. A single phase 230V motor of 1 h.p. is rated by the National Electric Code at 8 amps. A 3 phase 1 h.p. 1800 RPM motor at 230Vis rated at 3.5 amps. I do little work with 230V, but the standard 480V 3 phase 1 hp 1750 RPM motor draws 1.3 amps. The 1750 rpm is because a standard motor has a little "slip" in it magnetically. If it were synchronous it would be 1800 rpm.

Result of 35 years of industrial electrical work.

[AntiBurr]

Just a quick scan of the article brings up only one item of objection: single phase versus 3 phase. A single phase 230V motor of 1 h.p. is rated by the National Electric Code at 8 amps. A 3 phase 1 h.p. 1800 RPM motor at 230Vis rated at 3.5 amps. I do little work with 230V, but the standard 480V 3 phase 1 hp 1750 RPM motor draws 1.3 amps. The 1750 rpm is because a standard motor has a little "slip" in it magnetically. If it were synchronous it would be 1800 rpm.

Result of 35 years of industrial electrical work.