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I am a Christian who believes Terri should be allowed to die... Am I the only one?
n/a ^ | 2-23-05 | InHisService

Posted on 02/23/2005 5:29:08 PM PST by InHisService

First, let me say I am a Christian, and am anti-abortion. I have read quite a bit about the Terri Schiavo case and my heart goes out to her and her family, and yes, even her husband.

I'm quite sure I will take a lot of flak for this opinion, as everyone here seems determined to keep this poor woman alive.

It seems no one is sure whether or not she is in a persistive vegetative state, and doctors on both sides are firm in their convictions.

I only know that if it was me, I would, without a doubt, NOT want to be kept alive this way. Terri doesn't have the capability to state what she wants, but had she been if asked the question when she was healthy, (as her husband states) most likely, she would not want these ongoing court battles, the media circus and the heartbreak for all involved. Really, would any of us want that for our families?

I believe in letting her die with dignity. I do not believe it is murder. I have made sure to tell my family members, if this ever happens to me, do not keep me alive in this state.

May God's will be done.


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To: Torie
would deny Terri the right to die

Terri never left a living will or other document that expressed her wishes. Thus her "rights" are inapposite to the discussion. What she "wanted" is left to those claiming what she "wanted" with axes to grind.

301 posted on 02/23/2005 8:40:59 PM PST by Torie
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To: eccentric
When did Dr. Hammesfahr do these tests with Teri? I wonder how much she has regressed since then.

I don't know but he said that some sort of brain test that she had in 2002 was better than the one in 1995 or 96 and showed improvement. His interview was on January 7th, 2004.

302 posted on 02/23/2005 8:41:43 PM PST by DJ MacWoW ("Are you cops? FBI" bad guy, "I'm currently unemployed" Tony Almeida of 24)
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To: Torie
would deny Terri the right to die Terri never left a living will or other document that expressed her wishes. Thus her "rights" are inapposite to the discussion. What she "wanted" is left to those claiming what she "wanted" with axes to grind.

Ain't that a piss? And you and I disagree with a lot of things.

303 posted on 02/23/2005 8:42:13 PM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: MarMema

Is that you on the right?


304 posted on 02/23/2005 8:42:37 PM PST by InHisService
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To: InHisService
That's a shame. Mostly FR has great people.

I have a serious loathing for those who believe we have a right to die and support the liberal agenda of the euthanasia movement, which is targeting the killing of the disabled. That means you, based on your statement.

Just in case you missed it, the owner of this forum has a disability. And so do most of my kids.

No one else here is posting with the language you're using. I know that language and those coined terms.

305 posted on 02/23/2005 8:43:31 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: dirtboy

So many issues, that the possibility of agreement on something is ever present among those who typically disagree. Ain't it grand?


306 posted on 02/23/2005 8:43:49 PM PST by Torie
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To: InHisService
Is that you on the right?

So you whiiine about the tone of the thread. And then throw a lowbrow insult.

How typical...

307 posted on 02/23/2005 8:45:08 PM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: tertiary01
Some nurses with overtime make well over $100,000/year

Dayum! My sisters in law don't make anywhere NEAR that. One's an RN and one a surgical nurse.

308 posted on 02/23/2005 8:45:20 PM PST by DJ MacWoW ("Are you cops? FBI" bad guy, "I'm currently unemployed" Tony Almeida of 24)
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To: InHisService

I see a lot of non-Christian behavior among some Terri supporters in their effort to make the case.

And yes, I too would want my tube pulled rather than go on for years in a condition like Terri's - whatever the technical definition might be. I have orders that, if a good effort at therapy doesn't work, let me go - sedate me with morphine (like they did Terri last time) and pull the tube.

BUT... after spending countless hours reading the court and medical documents on my own... Even though I don't believe she is as responsive as some claim, and I think the accusation that he caused it is unfounded hogwash, I really don't think they should pull her plug.

There are too many reasons not to, in my opinion.

Mainly, the precedent it would set...

As I posted before, without a written directive, every guardian should have to show that he has the person's best interest at heart.

But I believe that he has shown a callous disregard for her physical, and possibly mental, comfort in the last 7 years.

I think he does it mainly to spite her parents, but also because he has convinced himself (or tried) that there is absolutely zero consciousness within her. He couldn't live with himself if he thought, or had to admit, there were.

He could easily give her and her parents a 6 month to 1 year "trial" of therapy and re-evaluation. After all these years, techniques have advanced.

But he wont even try. Not even while keeping the tube in.

Because of these things, under these circumstances, I think it is very wrong, and a dangerous precedent would be set, to have her tube pulled.




309 posted on 02/23/2005 8:45:32 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: Torie
So many issues, that the possibility of agreement on something is ever present among those who typically disagree. Ain't it grand?

Life is grand, ain't it? Except for those who seek to devalue it.

310 posted on 02/23/2005 8:45:43 PM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
I think you've watched the Green Mile one too many times.

No clue what you are talking about. I assume it is a movie. I have not seen it. I like action movies. The title infers one of those tortured touchy feelies.

Not my bag.

311 posted on 02/23/2005 8:45:48 PM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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To: Trinity_Tx
Just FYI, I'm not a Terri supporter. I'm an anti-euthanasia activist. My behavior is my problem, and your labeling it is yours. But there is a difference between what you are saying and how you say it and how it is said by those firmly in the pro-euthanasia camp.

You have a right to your opinion, as does everyone here. When you sound like you're here for a political purpose, such as supporting the culture of death, I see it completely differently.

312 posted on 02/23/2005 8:50:39 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: dirtboy
So you whiiine about the tone of the thread. And then throw a lowbrow insult. How typical...

I'm not whining...and what's the matter, people can dish it out, but can't take it?

313 posted on 02/23/2005 8:52:21 PM PST by InHisService
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To: HairOfTheDog
"You're acting twelve again..."

LOL You read my mind.

Terri's parents probably cringe at the lack of diplomacy and PR skills of some of her supporters.
314 posted on 02/23/2005 8:52:57 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: InHisService
and what's the matter, people can dish it out, but can't take it?

Go find a mirror. Place yourself directly in front of it to find the answer to that one.

I am really outta here now. You may have the last comment, for what good it does you. But if you wish to keep digging, be my guest.

315 posted on 02/23/2005 8:55:52 PM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: Trinity_Tx
Even though I don't believe she is as responsive as some claim, and I think the accusation that he caused it is unfounded hogwash, I really don't think they should pull her plug.

Hello. Not trying to argue with anyone here, just give info I just found. Dr Hammesfahrs interview is compelling. A quick synopsis is in post # 74 but the WinAmp interview is better. However, it's 89 minutes long. :-/

316 posted on 02/23/2005 8:56:38 PM PST by DJ MacWoW ("Are you cops? FBI" bad guy, "I'm currently unemployed" Tony Almeida of 24)
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To: InHisService
as everyone here seems determined to keep this poor woman alive.

Assumption on your part that Terri is a "poor woman" because of her disability, is that it? This is language the Nazis used to set up their extermination programs as well.

Assumption that she is being "kept alive" by food and water? So are you. Also a tactic used by the Nazis, btw.

317 posted on 02/23/2005 8:57:35 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: Dog Gone
"This isn't a "right to die" case. It's a "who gets to make the call if you don't bother to express your wishes" case.

I do hope that everyone who is more than a casual visitor to threads about Terri has explicit instructions. If they don't, calling them fools wouldn't be undeserved."


Very true.

Mine aren't legalized yet, but they're in the process. If anything happens to me in the meantime, at least you know who I am, and I hope you'll show everyone my posts in case my mother fights it. (only half joking)
318 posted on 02/23/2005 9:00:45 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: InHisService
but had she been if asked the question when she was healthy, (as her husband states) most likely, she would not want these ongoing court battles, the media circus and the heartbreak for all involved.

Again, more typical pro-euthanasia language.
Assumption that Terri is now a burden on others, even though her parents are the ones fighting for her to live, and that Terri would not have wanted to be this "burden". The current euthanasia movement makes use of this tactic quite often.

Better to die slowly and of a cruel manner than to cause such "heartbreak" for all involved.

319 posted on 02/23/2005 9:01:01 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: MarMema
Assumption on your part that Terri is a "poor woman" because of her disability, is that it? This is language the Nazis used to set up their extermination programs as well.

Enough of the disability baloney and the Nazi rhetoric!

There are people who are disabled who are on the other side of this issue as well.

It has jack to do with it.

And neither do Nazi sociopaths.

320 posted on 02/23/2005 9:02:47 PM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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