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To: xm177e2

No, you complain from apparent ignorance and act as though God just sits on high and causes nasty things to happen. If you aren't on His side, what does He owe YOU. ZIP. His enemy, you probably think is cool or something, and he's the destructive nasty one. You have your choice of masters and yourself to blame for the choice - and everyone else in this world has the same choice and options you have in that regard.
You want to collectively disbelieve God, curse him, turn your back on Him and treat him like crap, then have the gaul to fault him for the mess you've made of his creation by your own choices. No, your conclusions do not follow. The blame doesn't lie with God, it lies with you and the Master you do serve.

If you come pee in my pool and curse me, what do you suppose my reaction might be? Must be all my fault you got thrown out and can't come back and I must be evil for holding you responsible. God is merciful; but, he's also Just. Try putting some perspective to it - you might learn something.


49 posted on 02/17/2005 9:49:34 PM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade. Hang the traitors high)
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To: Havoc
I'm going to be really polite, even though it's against my nature.

You are WRONG.

You are wrong because you do not understand what the phrase "the conclusion logically follows" means. It's impossible to have a conversation about logic with someone who doesn't understand such a fundamental concept.

So I'll explain it for ya, because I'm such a nice guy:

Premise 1: A can of Coca-Cola costs $30.
Premise 2: A six-pack of Coca-Cola is the same price as six cans individually
THEREFORE
Conclusion: A six-pack of Coca-Cola costs $180

The conclusion is FALSE. You know that.

But the conclusion LOGICALLY FOLLOWS FROM THE PREMISES. In other words, if premises 1 and 2 were correct, then the conclusion would be correct. If coke cans really did cost $30 each, and six-packs were the same price as 6 cans individually, then six-packs really would cost $180.

The problem with that argument is that premise 1 and premise 2 are both FALSE. Coke cans cost closer to $.50 apiece, and there is a slight discount when buying a six-pack as opposed to six cans individually.

This is the previous post:

(1) If God exists then he is omniscient, omnipotent and perfectly good.
(2) If God were omniscient, omnipotent and perfectly good then the world would not contain evil.
(3) The world contains evil.
Therefore:
(4) It is not the case that God exists.
The conclusion DOES LOGICALLY FOLLOW. What you disagree with is most likely Premise #2, not the logic of the argument itself. Premise #2 is that if a perfectly good God existed, there would be no evil. I'll bet you think that is false.

you do not have to believe that a conclusion is true in order to believe that it follows logically

you cannot say that a conclusion does not "follow logically" just because you think the conclusion is false

50 posted on 02/17/2005 10:42:21 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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