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The $15 million dollar border failure
Marine Inspector ^ | 02/11/2005 | Marine Inspector

Posted on 02/11/2005 12:32:47 AM PST by Marine Inspector

Last year, the Department of Homeland Security began testing Unmanned Aerial Vehicles along the Arizona / Mexico border as part of its $15 million dollar Arizona Border Control Initiative.

From June through September, The Bureau of Customs and Border Protection began testing 2 Israeli made Hermes 450 UAV’s, which cost 2 million dollars each.

During this 4-month evaluation, the UAV’s helped the Border Patrol apprehend 965 illegal entrants and about 850 pounds of marijuana.

During that same 4-month period, June, July, August and September, the Border Patrol apprehended approximately 360,000 illegal entrants.

The Tucson Sector of the Border Patrol apprehends approximately 43% of the total southwest border apprehensions . This would equate to approximately 154,800 illegal entrants apprehended by the Tucson Sector during the 4-month UAV testing period.

Hence, the 4 million dollar UAV’s accounted for less then 1% of the Sectors total apprehensions. I’m not expert, but that does not sound cost effective.

But wait, it gets worse.

According to Paul Olski, director of aviation joint planning and development in the Department of Homeland Security, the Hermes spotted 853,000 people crossing the border during the evaluation period.

Now let’s connect these dots and put this information into perspective.

The UAV’s spotted 853,000 illegal entrants in the Tucson Sector, yet the Tucson Sector Border Patrol Agents only apprehended 154,800 of those illegal entrants.

Where did the other 698,200 illegal entrants go?

In a 4-month period, 698,200 illegal aliens made it into the United States, through Arizona alone and no one knows who they are, where they are or why they are here.

How many made it through the other 8 to 9 months? If the numbers stay the same, almost 2 million illegal aliens slipped through the Arizona / Mexico border

How many made it through California, New Mexico and Texas? No were talking another million or so. This is not fantasy; this is reality. This is what the Federal Government does not want you to know.

Some people want you to believe that no terrorists have crossed over the border with Mexico. How can anyone believe this? Does the Federal Government really expect me to believe an unskilled worker from Mexico or points south can sneak in undetected, but not a trained terrorist?

Simply incredible!


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To: FBD
COMMISSION FOR LABOR COOPERATION (created by NAFTA)

Article 8: The Commission

1. The Parties hereby establish the Commission for Labor Cooperation.

2. The Commission shall comprise a ministerial Council and a Secretariat. The Commission shall be assisted by the National Administrative Office of each Party.

Here is a samle of their work:


A main feature the the agreement is:
protection of migrant workers

Here is the US version
North American Agreement on Labor Cooperation: A Guide
61 posted on 02/27/2005 9:54:31 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: F16Fighter
Incredibly mind-numbing pics, FBD. Like ants at a picnic in the park.

They're heading for the NM border for a picnic of chili beans and tortillas. Then they will hop on the new NAFTA Express™ that Gov. Bill Richardson built just for them. It picks them up at the border and takes them straight to the NM Motor Vehicle office in Albuquerque to get their new driver's license. Compliments of NM taxpayers.

Can you believe that? Well, most of it's true. LOL We don't actually pick them up at the border....YET. The Drivers licenses are a FACT, and the red carpet is rolled out for them because Richardson and Fox are good buddies. They speak the same language. Double speak. LOL

62 posted on 02/28/2005 12:08:04 AM PST by NRA2BFree (Guns don't kill people, drivers with cell phones do. ;)
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To: FBD
"It can't be all about vote pandering..."

Yeah, that theory went out the door once Dubya won...ALTHOUGH IMO, that was ONE reason...

"I wonder if it's being allowed as a safety valve for Mexico. If the border was secured, some say Mexico would collapse into total chaos from lack of employment. A revolt against the govt, possibly... What do you think?"

Newer, plausible theory from what I've read, FBD.

What it doesn't take into effect is the breach in U.S. security that has allowed ANY-BODY into the country -- including terrorists.

It also doesn't explain why Dubya Bush is willing to alienate (pun intended) and squander his credibility.

(Adjusting tinfoil hat) The third theory subscribes to the mission of Dubya executing the early stages of Herbert Bush's vision for a "New World Order."

63 posted on 02/28/2005 8:57:47 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: NRA2BFree
"The Drivers licenses are a FACT, and the red carpet is rolled out for them because Richardson and Fox are good buddies. They speak the same language. Double speak. LOL"

AND "double-cross" ;-)

64 posted on 02/28/2005 8:59:12 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter; hedgetrimmer

related to that;
I think hedgetrimmer has a big part of the answer in his #61 post...


65 posted on 02/28/2005 10:49:43 PM PST by FBD ("A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: F16Fighter; FBD; NRA2BFree
(Adjusting tinfoil hat) The third theory subscribes to the mission of Dubya executing the early stages of Herbert Bush's vision for a "New World Order."

Allow me to throw my own tinfoil headgear into the ring.

This could all just be a gesture to American companies to persuade them from moving their operations overseas by keeping the flow of cheap (illegal) labor a-comin' . Or it could be an attempt - although a futile one, imo - by the GOP to create its very own "plantation class" to counteract the Rats' own (and longstanding one).

But because this is happening right smack dab in the middle of a (supposed) War on Terror, I strongly suspect you're right -- it's likely the implementation of a globalist (NWO) scheme intended to undermine (and eventually do away with) the U.S. Constitution.

And the only way this can be accomplished is if the American people are disarmed. This won't be easy for the one-worlders to accomplish (to understate the matter), but it's the only shot they got. If the 2nd Amendment goes, the people will be utterly subservient to the whims of the state. ....and this, obviously, is their goal.

But their plans have run into a big (and unexpected) kink -- the gun control agenda (by elitist pigs on both sides of the aisle) is getting its ass kicked in a big way. The AWB is now history, and state after state is adopting new (and relatively gun-friendly) CCW laws. Why? Because the public is growing wise to the anti-gun BS, thanks in large part to radical leftists who've drawn attention to it (since Columbine). In the minds of many ordinary Americans, anti-gun now equals leftist idiot (like Michael Moore). A fortuitous development for us, for sure.

The result is that the GOP is scared sh/tless of the gun lobby (and thank God for that). Any obvious movement toward more gun control would almost certainly result in the GOP getting torn to shreds from within. .....and subsequently at the ballot box.

  So they need an alternate plan. .....an end around. And open borders fits the bill. Their "solution" may be to radically alter American demographics by essentially inviting in (through weak border policing and veiled amnesty programs) tens of millions of immigrants from countries where totalitarian gun laws are the norm (like Mexico).

Compared to Americans, Mexicans are a subservient lot accustomed to being terrorized by rogue LEOs. So the NWOer's plan could be to gradually abolish US gun ownership using Mexican-Americans as a voting tool. ....a group that's never known the RKBA. This obvioulsy can't happen overnight, but their options are few. Could take decades. .....and we should be nearing the half billion mark in population by that time. Patriot groups like the Minuteman will all be in jail by then for "hate crimes," there's little doubt.

But even these plans could be dashed, and from an unlikely source -- Islamists. If we become the victim of another major terrorist attack on our soil (especially one that dwarfs 9/11) and it's positively determined that the perps arrived through our porous borders, an angry American electorate will demand that the Beltway Bungleheads enforce - militarize, in fact - our borders. .....and if we're angry and motivated enough, they'll have little choice but to do so.

We all hope it doesn't come to that, of course. So our best option is educating the masses about their Constitutional (and God-given) RKBA, and the internet is our main weapon.    

66 posted on 02/28/2005 11:01:42 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo; F16Fighter; NRA2BFree
Huh...you may actually have something there>
Let's ask Alexander Hamilton, about this:


"The opinion advanced in [Jefferson’s] Notes on Virginia is undoubtedly correct, that foreigners will generally be apt to bring with them attachments to the persons they have left behind; to the country of their nativity, and to its particular customs and manners. They will also entertain opinions on government congenial with those under which they have lived; or if they should be led hither from a preference to ours, how extremely unlikely is it that they will bring with them that temperate love of liberty, so essential to real republicanism?…"

"In the recommendation to admit indiscriminately foreign emigrants of every description to the privileges of American citizens, on their first entrance into our country, there is an attempt to break down every pale which has been erected for the preservation of a national spirit and a national character; and to let in the most powerful means of perverting and corrupting both the one and the other."

[From Hamilton, “The Examination,” nos. 7-9 (1802), Papers of Alexander Hamilton, ed. Harold C. Syrett (New York: Columbia University Press, 1961-), 25:491-501.]
67 posted on 02/28/2005 11:52:35 PM PST by FBD ("A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: FBD
Great find.

That Hamiliton was one smart guy.

68 posted on 03/01/2005 6:01:27 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: FBD; Mr. Mojo
The evidence suggests Mssrs. Jefferson and Hamilton would have led the Minuteman Project.
69 posted on 03/01/2005 9:26:37 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Mr. Mojo; FBD
"It's likely the implementation of a globalist (NWO) scheme [is] intended to undermine (and eventually do away with) the U.S. Constitution.

And the only way this can be accomplished is if the American people are disarmed. This won't be easy for the one-worlders to accomplish (to understate the matter), but it's the only shot they got. If the 2nd Amendment goes, the people will be utterly subservient to the whims of the state. ....and this, obviously, is their goal."

Agree 100%

"Any obvious movement toward more gun control would almost certainly result in the GOP getting torn to shreds from within. .....and subsequently at the ballot box.

"So they need an alternate plan. .....an end around. And open borders fits the bill. Their "solution" may be to radically alter American demographics by essentially inviting in (through weak border policing and veiled amnesty programs) tens of millions of immigrants from countries where totalitarian gun laws are the norm (like Mexico)."

I think you've read the RINO machination's NWO playbook! It appears though that that "end around" is projected to be run by both parties for the common goal.

IMO, the Democrats could NEVER have pulled off so obvious a ploy of indifference with respect to keeping the border gates wide open. The GOP's supporters would have NEVER accepted so anti-sovereign an immigration/security policy from a Dem Prez, so Step One was accomplished under Republican "leadership."

Conversely, the Big Gov Gun-Grab can ONLY take place under a Democratic Presidential Administration in conjunction with the aforementioned adjusted demographics.

Voila --Step Two.

Has the Dem/GOP NWO Game Plan just been exposed?

70 posted on 03/01/2005 9:52:29 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter
the GOP's supporters would have NEVER accepted so anti-sovereign an immigration/security policy from a Dem Prez

Nor would they have accepted the multitude of other left-leaning proposals/policies of this administration. But since this is "our guy" they'll allow him to lead us to the lowest reaches of hell without much protest. ....all for the "good of the team." It'd sure be nice if pols on both sides of the aisle started considering America to be their team, not their respective political parties.

But a strong and sovereign America not only isn't part of the NWO playbook, it's its biggest obstacle.

71 posted on 03/01/2005 11:03:02 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo
"But since this is 'our guy' they'll allow him to lead us to the lowest reaches of hell without much protest. ....all for the "good of the team."

Right on the screws, bro.

"It'd sure be nice if pols on both sides of the aisle started considering America to be their team, not their respective political parties."

The chasm is wide and deep. Seems the only way for the possible "unity" of both Americas may ironically as your described in earlier Post (#66):

"If we become the victim of another major terrorist attack on our soil (especially one that dwarfs 9/11) and it's positively determined that the perps arrived through our porous borders, an angry American electorate will demand that the Beltway Bungleheads enforce - militarize, in fact - our borders. .....and if we're angry and motivated enough, they'll have little choice but to do so....

...But a strong and sovereign America not only isn't part of the NWO playbook, it's its biggest obstacle."

Even then would the Democrats be "angry and motivated enough" to join hands?

And at that time what further restrictive measures (affecting U.S. citizens) would NWO RINOs inflict upon us?

Is 'Rock' is conspiring with 'Hard Place'?

72 posted on 03/01/2005 12:13:43 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Marine Inspector
Some people want you to believe that no terrorists have crossed over the border with Mexico.

They're much more likely to come in from Canada, after getting "political asylum," Canadian citizenship and a Canadian passport (under a new name, possibly a "Christian Arab"-sounding name to confuse things further), and generous welfare benefits.

How can anyone believe this? Does the Federal Government really expect me to believe an unskilled worker from Mexico or points south can sneak in undetected, but not a trained terrorist?

As bad as the situation is, it shows that there's about an 18% chance of getting caught crossing the US-Mexican border illegally.

Conversely, there is a much lower chance of trouble if one crosses the Canadian border with a Canadian passport.

73 posted on 03/21/2006 8:42:16 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Tagline deleted at request of moderator.)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
They're much more likely to come in from Canada, after getting "political asylum," Canadian citizenship and a Canadian passport (under a new name, possibly a "Christian Arab"-sounding name to confuse things further), and generous welfare benefits.

Unfortunately, that belief will get people killed.

Truth be told, the Canadian border is much more secure then the Mexican border.

74 posted on 03/21/2006 9:06:32 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: Marine Inspector
Unfortunately, that belief will get people killed.

Truth be told, the Canadian border is much more secure then the Mexican border.

With all due respect, you're crazy. I've been up there recently. There are places where one can cross simply by getting out of a car and taking a two-minute walk, and get into another car and continue on one's merry way...

...and the locals haven't seen anyone from BP/ICE in TWO YEARS!

75 posted on 03/21/2006 9:15:45 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Tagline deleted at request of moderator.)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
There are places where one can cross simply by getting out of a car and taking a two-minute walk, and get into another car and continue on one's merry way...

And the US/Mexico border has dozens more places like that.

and the locals haven't seen anyone from BP/ICE in TWO YEARS!

That does not mean they are not there or that the area is not monitored.

BTW, I've been there also (on the job) and no, I'm not crazy.

76 posted on 03/21/2006 10:58:36 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: Marine Inspector
That does not mean they are not there or that the area is not monitored.

I meant as in "they haven't seen a BP/ICE agent, even when they reported that their expensive sensor widgets got blown over/bashed in by baseball-plus-sized hail."

BTW: baseball-sized hail is kind of like God's answer to cluster bombs. (Got nailed in Kansas in 1999, riding a Hog on I-70. Over a mile to the next overpass when it stared hitting--that was the longest minute I've ever had.)

77 posted on 03/21/2006 11:02:29 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Tagline deleted at request of moderator.)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
I meant as in "they haven't seen a BP/ICE agent, even when they reported that their expensive sensor widgets got blown over/bashed in by baseball-plus-sized hail."

The BP does not maintain the sensors, contractors do and ICE never has and never will patrol the border areas, they do internal enforcement/investigations.

My mothers side of the family is from Bismark. I remember my grandmother talking about a friend of hers that was killed by hail during a storm.

78 posted on 03/21/2006 11:10:31 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: Marine Inspector
The BP does not maintain the sensors, contractors do

If I understand correctly, a government rep has to sign off the work. And those widgets are still broken.

79 posted on 03/21/2006 11:22:06 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Tagline deleted at request of moderator.)
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To: Marine Inspector; Czar; Borax Queen; Smartass; JustPiper; Spiff; Americanwolfsbrother; ...
Thanks for pointing out this thread, MI...I never saw it before. Great thread you put up!!

Ping! (Sorry if you've already been pinged).

80 posted on 05/14/2006 10:11:53 PM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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