[dead]

Great, the side that historically always loses. Wonderful.

Oh yeah, I forgot the Nazis won.

[jaykay]

Oh yeah, I forgot the Nazis won.

Look back a little farther than 50 years. Most of the time, the barbarians overun civilization. WW2 is the exception that proves the rule and only because, in many ways, we outdid the barbarians. If we could be as civilized now as we were then, Fallujah and Mosul would have gone the way of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Baghdad and Ramadi would have suffered the fate of Dresden and Tokyo.