I spent eight years in the Marine Corps; I left the Corps as a Sergeant. Yeah, I generally want to throw the s**tbirds under the bus. I have no use for insubordinate trash like Graner. I am astonished that a so-called "conservative" thinks that "good order and discipline" are "nice to have" things in the military.
BTW, almost all the folks I pinged to this post are presently on active duty, or have served--and they all disagree with you.
When those who actually have served or are presently serving tell you you're wrong on this issue, it would be a very good idea to rethink your premises, noob.
Kinda reminds me of their stance against this war...he'd still be filling mass graves.
Wrong. My only complaint with the Iraq war was that we took far too long to go about actually doing it--it is something that we should've done many years earlier.
One can simultaneously (a) support this war and (b) expect our soldiers to conduct themselves as soldiers, not as brigands. Indeed, if you wish to win wars, a disciplined army is essential. I cannot fathom why some wish to reward (and thus encourage) severe breaches of discipline within the military, unless they intend to ensure that we lose wars.
I wonder how much key info Graner and Co. pulled out of these terrorists?
None. The prisoners under the charge of Graner and his buddies, skank hos, and subordinates weren't terrorists; they were petty criminals. You would already know that fact if you'd read the Taguba Report--which again raises the question of when "willfully stupid ignorance" became "a legitimate point of view."
How many American lives were saved?
Zero. How much damage was done to the good order and discipline of the US Army? Lots.
Hooah.
Not too much can be added to what you said but the highest
standard Graner erected was when he was in the sack with
Lindy, his accomplice.