[KJacob]

I am trying to debate them rationally but they are incapable of seeing anything good about America or the American people.

You really expect this to change with facts? Better to leave them to their little lives.

[Young Werther]

You must rise to their level, (or sink as the case may be).

"Nanny Nanny Boo Boo!

{shouting!!}Four more years!

[cgbg]

Liberals fundamental premise is that society (the nation) is primary and individuals are secondary.

They do not believe in "individual rights".

Their perspective, by the way, has been shared by every dictator and authoritarian regime in the history of man.

So the basic premise you need to remember is "you own your life, they don't".

Try reading Ayn Rand's "The Virtue of Selfishness" for a crash course.

[Dashing Dasher]

I agree...
Facts just anger them...

Old Southern saying...

"Don't try to teach a pig to sing,
it wastes your time and annoys the pig. "