"I tried to have an honest discussion over there"
You're wasting your breath and time (usually) with the professional intolerants. Their whole fortune and following is built on delivering their "tolerance" in class-envy, God-hating, power-grabbing ways. Focus on the hurting people on the fringe of society....the people the Dems/Marxists SAY they want to have government help them...help/get a faith-based initiative to help these people and all the good guys win, several ways...Dems lose dependents and we gain voters.