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Convicted By Suspicion -- Why Scott Peterson May Be Innocent
The Hollywood Investigator ^ | 11/30/2004 | J. Neil Schulman

Posted on 11/30/2004 10:26:51 AM PST by J. Neil Schulman

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To: .38sw

The Coroner's office -- which is a political office -- listed the cause of death as "homicide." No ME could possibly conclude the cause of death as homicide because they were unable to determine a cause of death.

And if you want to go by the Coroner's official report, Scott Peterson is off the hook, because the official date and time of Laci's death is the day her body washed up on shore, April 14th -- not the previous Christmas Eve when Scott was supposed to be fishing.

JNS


221 posted on 11/30/2004 4:58:17 PM PST by J. Neil Schulman
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To: supercat
First you turn things around on him and now me?

I don't have to believe anything, if the state's case does not convince me. It does not.

I believe he probably did it. I do not believe the state met its burden. For him to be convicted despite that diminishes everyone's rights to a fair trial.

222 posted on 11/30/2004 5:20:20 PM PST by DK Zimmerman
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To: DK Zimmerman
I believe he probably did it. I do not believe the state met its burden. For him to be convicted despite that diminishes everyone's rights to a fair trial.

What would constitute proof beyond a reasonable doubt in your eyes? In any murder case?

223 posted on 11/30/2004 5:22:32 PM PST by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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To: supercat

Anything more than supposition and coincidence would be a good start.


224 posted on 11/30/2004 5:32:42 PM PST by DK Zimmerman
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To: J. Neil Schulman
because the official date and time of Laci's death is the day her body washed up on shore, April 14th --

???? Even though it was apparent by the state of decomposition that she'd been dead for quite some time? Puhleeeze. So by your reasoning, Peterson couldn't possibly have done it because, officially, she died on April 14. Well, then there are probably a lot of people in prison who shouldn't be because the victims weren't found until quite some time later than when they might actually have been murdered. Makes perfect sense, eh?

225 posted on 11/30/2004 5:50:27 PM PST by .38sw
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To: DK Zimmerman
Anything more than supposition and coincidence would be a good start.

Be more specific. Be mindful that objects with fingerprints can be moved from place to place, and that fingerprints can be scanned and duplicated. Video and phototographs can be manipulated to no end, of course. And eyewitnesses can easily be mistaken about many things. I find it hard to imagine a case where one couldn't formulate a scenario consistent with an accused killer's innocence. But the issue of plausibility rears its ugly head.

Scott Peterson is alleged to have done many things that would suggest he knew his wife was dead before her body was discovered. Collectively, they constitute pretty strong evidence that he knew his wife was dead. That Scott Peterson had such knowledge is not mere supposition; it is a theory which the prosecution has supported with considerable evidence.

You might argue that even proving that Scott Peterson knew of his wife's death would not prove his participation in her murder. That would be correct. On the other hand, possession of guilty knowledge does create a strong presumption of guilty involvement, just as possession of stolen property creates a strong presumption of involvement in theft. If the police find in a person's garage a large amount of merchandise that has been stolen from the area, that would generally be adequate to prosecute the person for theft even if nobody actually saw the person steal any of it. It may be in some cases that a person might have a reasonable explanation for possessing the merchandise; if, for example, he could produce a receipt that showed he paid a reasonable amount of money for it at what he reasonably believed to be an estate lot sale, that could be grounds for acquittal. It is not, however, the job of the jury to speculate that he might have acquired the property by what he thought were legitimate means. If the defense wishes to claim that he did so, the defense must claim that.

So again, I ask you to please break down for me: do you believe that the state failed to provide adequate evidence to show that Scott Peterson knew of his wife's death, or do you believe that such knowledge does not constitute evidence of his involvement in her murder?

226 posted on 11/30/2004 5:53:19 PM PST by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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To: J. Neil Schulman

Coroners have the authority to inquire into and determine in all cases the circumstances, manner, and cause of death. The difference is that a coroner is an elected official, while a ME is usually appointmend by some government body. Yes, it is a political office, but if a coroner is a physician, he can perform autopsies. He still has the authority to make the determination as to manner and cause of death, and whether or not that death was a homicide. So, according to you, because a coroner (oh, the horro) made the determination, it's not valid? And Scott's off the hook because the body wasn't found until April 14th? That's quite a stretch.


227 posted on 11/30/2004 6:01:16 PM PST by .38sw
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To: FoxPro
I swear some people on Free Republic are bloodthirsty.

Indeed. They seem determined to prove that Lefist caricatures of conservatives as "mouth-foaming sadists" are true.

Sadly, these "FR caricature conservatives" reflect poorly on the more rational conservatives among us. It's one of the reasons I've come to call myself a libertarian -- they're more cool and rational.

228 posted on 11/30/2004 6:03:56 PM PST by Commie Basher
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To: Commie Basher
Indeed. They seem determined to prove that Lefist caricatures of conservatives as "mouth-foaming sadists" are true.

Thank You

229 posted on 11/30/2004 6:21:56 PM PST by FoxPro (jroehl2@yahoo.com)
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To: supercat
You ask, do I "believe that such knowledge does not constitute evidence of his involvement in her murder?" This requires the assumption that he had such knowledge and anything constructed upon it is a house of cards. I don't believe that I or anyone else that is rational can believe we know with certainty why someone else does some things.

I could counter with, if he was smart enough to commit the crime and hide the evidence so completely, the last thing he would do is a whole string of things that would end up convicting him. That is just as strong "evidence" that he didn't do it as you suggest you have he did. I won't bite.

230 posted on 11/30/2004 6:27:37 PM PST by DK Zimmerman
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To: DK Zimmerman
You ask, do I "believe that such knowledge does not constitute evidence of his involvement in her murder?" This requires the assumption that he had such knowledge and anything constructed upon it is a house of cards. I don't believe that I or anyone else that is rational can believe we know with certainty why someone else does some things.

But one would generally expect that if someone had an innocent reason for doing them, they would likely be able to articulate what it was.

I could counter with, if he was smart enough to commit the crime and hide the evidence so completely, the last thing he would do is a whole string of things that would end up convicting him. That is just as strong "evidence" that he didn't do it as you suggest you have he did. I won't bite.

Many psychopaths are extremely arrogant. They have a certain level of intelligence, but their arrogance drives them to do really dumb things. I had a college roommate who boasted openly about his exploits stealing radar detectors, and showed off his switch blade knife and car-opening tools. He'd tell all sorts of stories about how he was so smart and the police were so stupid. Not sure exactly what happened to him after he got caught with stolen college computer equipment (after I'd moved out the room) and various other contraband.

Scott Peterson might well have gotten away with his crime if he weren't so arrogant. But the very notion that arrogant stupidity disproves psychopathy is absurd.

231 posted on 11/30/2004 6:48:38 PM PST by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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To: PeterFinn
He never said he killed his wife to anyone.

Peterson said he knew who did it. That utterance is on tape.

232 posted on 11/30/2004 6:55:24 PM PST by NautiNurse
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To: J. Neil Schulman
The first element that needs to be proved in any murder trial is that a murder has occurred.

No, you don't.

Which, of course, makes your entire article bogus.

233 posted on 11/30/2004 7:52:38 PM PST by Howlin (W, Still the President)
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To: FoxPro
Was there a camera on him 24/7?

Pretty much.

234 posted on 11/30/2004 7:56:52 PM PST by Howlin (W, Still the President)
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To: DK Zimmerman
"Beyond a reasonable doubt" refers to the requirement for the prosecution to PROVE exactly how, why, and when the alleged crime took place, by the alleged criminal.

Absolutely untrue.

You don't even need a body, FGS.

235 posted on 11/30/2004 7:58:05 PM PST by Howlin (W, Still the President)
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To: J. Neil Schulman


Before you waste bandwidth here,
you ought to READ the law regarding
what constitutes a murder.

Your entire rant is based on a false premise.


236 posted on 11/30/2004 7:58:11 PM PST by onyx
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To: DK Zimmerman
It is NOT the defendent's responsibility to dream up and supply an alternative.

It's the defendant's responsibility to DEFEND himself, which he did NOT do. Because he can't.

His OWN attorney said he was guilty as hell.

237 posted on 11/30/2004 8:00:45 PM PST by Howlin (W, Still the President)
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To: PeterFinn
he'd have plead out in a deal and the trial would never have happened.

You haven't been watching this trial, have you?

This guy will NEVER deal; not even know, when his own life is in danger.

There is absolutely no explanation for why he told somebody that his wife was dead two weeks before she disappeared, other than the fact that he was planning to kill her.

There is absolutely no explanation for why their bodies washed up where he TOLD the police he'd been "fishing" other than the fact that he dumped them there.

238 posted on 11/30/2004 8:03:21 PM PST by Howlin (W, Still the President)
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To: .38sw

You're exactly right; the date of death is the day Conner died, which was the 23rd or 24th. Conner died because SHE died.


239 posted on 11/30/2004 8:05:29 PM PST by Howlin (W, Still the President)
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To: J. Neil Schulman
The first element that needs to be proved in any murder trial is that a murder has occurred.

Right from the start, your argument is inconsistent with reality. Plenty of murderers have been convicted though their victims' bodies had never been found.

240 posted on 11/30/2004 8:06:42 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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