Posted on 11/24/2004 6:43:19 AM PST by PJ-Comix
PING!
You forgot to add, "Send money!" ;-)
PING! And welcome aboard to the FASTEST GROWING Ping List on the FR, PINGee #341.
Jan 20 is going to be an exercise in comedy at the DUmp. I swear, this whole thing is like a friggin' Greek tragedy.
Only problem: it takes money to make money. Light bulb moment! "Hey, DUmmies, send me money and I'll expose something you've all been hoping is true. Check or money order, or try this PayPal link. Cash preferred, in unmarked bills. Put all your faith and hope in me, and I'll take care of things for ya. That's right. The mailing address is on my web page. Hurry! Offer ends at midnight on November 23, 2004! Oh, uh, yeah, uh, love ya, you're the greatest, blah blah blah. Remember, cash preferred!"
I have noticied a deep dark growing void at the DUmp today.
The recount is not going well and the infighting is drastically increasing.
These people are naive. They believe absolutely anything that fortifies their castle in the sky.
Some of them have destroyed their lives and relationships over this crap. Now they're WILLINGLY being conned.
I can't wait for the first one to accuse Bev Harris of being a "Bushette" or some such nonsense, sent to distract them while the clock runs out on their mission.
Yeah. Until viewing this DUmmie thread today, I underestimated Bev. I thought she was raising all that cash in order to do "research" at plush hotels. Instead she is using a lot of those donations in order to film a documentary about her "efforts" in order to make even MORE MONEY on a mockumentary about the "fraud." Maybe the mockumentary should be titled "How To Commit Fraud by Alleging Fraud."
Remember the saying from a famous preacher (don't remember his name).
IF MONEY IS A PROBLEM -- SEND ME YOUR PROBLEM !!!
Keep up the good work....
I need to set up a username at DU, and start building credibility, so that in 08 when they lose AGAIN, they'll send their money to ME to save them from the Evil Repukes.
The only flaw I see in this plan is if DU goes under - I hear they don't have many donors.
Bev has ARRIVED back in DUmmieland - there IS a Santa!
BevHarris (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-24-04 08:36 AM
Original message
UPDATE: Florida litigation on voting issues, from Black Box Voting
Edited on Wed Nov-24-04 08:51 AM by BevHarris
There's a loophole that we'll need to get corrected in elections law, because it is blocking reasonable efforts to audit, confirm, or litigate elections in the U.S.
In most states, you can't request a recount or contest an election based on statistics. Even in Florida, where statistical evidence is permitted, the use of statistics is iffy in a court challenge. As soon as one expert sets it up, another can be counted upon to knock it down.
Recently, for example, attorney Lowell Finley came to Florida to pursue the option of contesting the Florida election. According to Florida law, contesting the Kerry election in Florida would require evidence that over 380,000 votes would be in doubt. Statistical evidence cited 260,000 votes in question -- but that study, the Berkeley study, is now being refuted by the Irvine study, and likelihood of prevailing in court on back-and-forth statistics is unlikely.
Even if that statistical information had been sufficient to prove 260,000 votes at risk, this would need to be supplemented by another 120,000 votes from other counties in the study. This kind of information could have been available, had counties complied with the Nov. 2 public records request filed by Black Box Voting. Unfortunately, most counties did not comply in a timely manner, and many refused to provide the information at all.
The audit data we obtained in Volusia County is another matter. Here, we have established plenty of evidence sufficient to take an election into contest. Volusia County, by itself, may have put some 30,000 presidential votes in question.
To get evidence comparable to what we have in Volusia County, basic audit diagnostics must be provided by the county in a timely manner. (To view the audit diagnostics we sent to every county in the country on Nov. 2, just after the polls closed, go to http://www.blackboxvoting.org and scroll down to an article titled "Are we insane? Voting without auditing?")
Now, here's the problem: All of the largest Florida counties stalled the records request past the filing deadlines. Some did it skillfully, by being out of the office, saying they didn't receive it, saying people were out of town...some did it clumsily, telling us to go jump in the lake.
The bottom line is: Most votes in Florida, and nearly all votes in Ohio, could not be audited because the secretary of state (Ohio) or the key county officials (Florida) would not part with the basic public information needed to launch a proper audit. While we will get the records, we will not get them in a timely manner.
This needs to be changed. Black Box Voting is in the process of setting up voting machine citizen audit protocols, and we plan to launch a major national citizen education effort to show people how to do both diagnostic audits and fraud audits using the public records tools available to all of us.
National elections cannot be compromised very easily without problematic local officials. A true cleanup is going to have to take place county by county, and we will need all of you to do it.
I know we have been slow to put some of our volunteers to work on real auditing. That is because, if you don't know exactly what you're doing, you'll get your butt kicked.
A citizen audit group is now working on Holmes County, Florida, and of course Volusia is in full swing (I'm about to do another post on the lawsuit filed yesterday requesting that the Volusia County election be set aside).
This is a problem that can be solved, but we need more teeth in legislation to require counties to produce audit materials immediately after elections, so that citizens groups can have at least 7 days to analyze the information and follow up on discrepancies and ommissions. Right now, elections officials can stonewall and there are no consequences, if they do it skillfully.
(For those who do it unskillfully, stay tuned. We aren't done with 'em.)
For those of you waiting on Ohio, it is certainly frustrating. Kenneth Blackwell is certainly the 2004 equivalent of Katherine Harris. He has set a state policy of obstructiveness, making it almost impossible to get the kind of information needed to prove the counting was correct.
Doing the auditing correctly, especially in coordination with local citizens groups, can produce fireworks. Volusia County now has its hands full.
Bev Harris
tee hee... funny!
PING!
Bev Harris
"Oh, and SEND MONEY!"
Could you post here the LINK to that DUmmie thread? I would be curious to see the level of skepticism arising there over Bev doing her smoke and mirrors routine and accomplishing exactly NOTHING.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2746037
The Kool-Aid is dribbling down their pimply DUmmie chins.
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